Ranieri
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:39 am
Shocking news that he's been sacked only 9 months after winning the title. Where is loyalty on football these days?
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What woeful decisions has he made?Darlogramps wrote:Right decision to sack him.
A nice man who achieved brilliant things last season, but has made some woeful decisions this time around.
The players are culpable too, but Leicester were relegation- bound under Ranieri.
1. Failure to adequately replace Kante. Granted it was always going to be very difficult to replace Kante's contribution but the replacements haven't come anywhere near. Mendy and Amartey have been totally inadequate. Now Ndidi is the next to try.Spyman wrote:What woeful decisions has he made?Darlogramps wrote:Right decision to sack him.
A nice man who achieved brilliant things last season, but has made some woeful decisions this time around.
The players are culpable too, but Leicester were relegation- bound under Ranieri.
Some fair points, although not sure the Kante thing is really his fault.Darlogramps wrote:1. Failure to adequately replace Kante. Granted it was always going to be very difficult to replace Kante's contribution but the replacements haven't come anywhere near. Mendy and Amartey have been totally inadequate. Now Ndidi is the next to try.Spyman wrote:What woeful decisions has he made?Darlogramps wrote:Right decision to sack him.
A nice man who achieved brilliant things last season, but has made some woeful decisions this time around.
The players are culpable too, but Leicester were relegation- bound under Ranieri.
2. Signings generally since the summer have been poor. Slimani hasn't contributed as much as his pricetag would warrant. Musa has been anonymous. And so on.
3. By his own admission, he's been too loyal to the players which won the title.
4. Allowing a solid title-winning defence to become flimsy. Have the same 4 defenders (Simpson, Huth, Morgan, Fuchs) really regressed so much in just 9 months?
5. Not using the excellent Demarai Gray, instead keeping faith with a listless Mahrez.
6. A litany of tactical and substitute errors in matches (too many to mention).
I could go on.
Don't get me wrong, the players are just as culpable, and their lack of motivation and effort has been disgraceful.
But Ranieri's failings are being glossed over because of last season's achievements and because people like him.
No one expected a repeat of last season, but he has to accept a large amount of responsibility for seeing title winners collapse and become relegation candidates. Minus Kante, the squad is largely the same as last year.
And how many of those criticising Leicester now, derided Ranieri when he was first appointed? There are a lot of sanctimonious and hypocritical pundits out there (Gary "rent an opinion" Lineker in particular).
Feethams 1966 wrote:All this decision shows is that the money sloshing around in the Premier League counts for more than loyalty or anything else; it confirms what we already know. The Premier League is rotten and the true game is thriving in the lower leagues.
By beating a Premier League team, Lincoln did us all a favour by demonstrating the skill, quality and ambition of non league teams like ours.
It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
What makes you think he would have kept them up? They've not scored a league goal in 2017, taken only 1 point since the turn of the year and won 1 of their last 10.DarloOnTheUp wrote:I have to disagree with you Gramps.
Yes he has made mistakes this season but he should have been given more time to turn things around purely out of respect for what he achieved last season.
If something's wrong, the answer doesn't always have to be "sack the manager".
You say they were heading for the drop, I say he would have kept them up.
I disagree.Spyman wrote: Yes I'm sure lots of people who criticised the appointment are now supporting him, but I see no reason for them to be embarrassed - at the time it didn't look like a great appointment, Hsi recent track record was patchy but he proved a lot of people wrong and those people are entitled to change their opinion.
Think it's pretty self-explanatory to be honest (and not massively relevant to this thread).OHDFC wrote:I asked what "rent an opinion" means and so would you please answer that.
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You're wrong, I was listening to 606 on radio 5 this evening and a guy was on who is involved with the Leicester club, said that a few years ago Lineker and 2 others had put money into the club and saved it from going bust. So he has more of a right to talk about Ranieri and Leicester City more than most people.Darlogramps wrote:It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
Put simply, I think Lineker's more interested in self-publicity and his own ego than anything else.
Is he not allowed to change his opinion based on events that have taken place? I don't see why that's hypocritical.Darlogramps wrote:It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
Put simply, I think Lineker's more interested in self-publicity and his own ego than anything else.
Nope.OHDFC wrote:I am struggling because to me "rent an opinion" means that an opinion will be given for money. So are you saying that you believe that Gary Lineker will give an opinion for money?
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Perhaps he shouldn't have written Ranieri off before he'd managed a game for Leicester.Spyman wrote:Is he not allowed to change his opinion based on events that have taken place? I don't see why that's hypocritical.Darlogramps wrote:It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
Put simply, I think Lineker's more interested in self-publicity and his own ego than anything else.
It's not as if he's denied that he was proved wrong.
You're definitely being thick.OHDFC wrote:No, which is why I asked becuase I don't know of any definition of rent that doesn't involve money.
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Nope, he doesn't. Everyone can talk about Ranieri and Leicester as much as they want.Darlo_Pete wrote:You're wrong, I was listening to 606 on radio 5 this evening and a guy was on who is involved with the Leicester club, said that a few years ago Lineker and 2 others had put money into the club and saved it from going bust. So he has more of a right to talk about Ranieri and Leicester City more than most people.Darlogramps wrote:It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
Put simply, I think Lineker's more interested in self-publicity and his own ego than anything else.
Then please help by providing a definition of "rent an opinion", wDarlogramps wrote:You're definitely being thick.OHDFC wrote:No, which is why I asked becuase I don't know of any definition of rent that doesn't involve money.
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You - "Explain what you mean by rent an opinion,"OHDFC wrote:Then please help by providing a definition of "rent an opinion", wDarlogramps wrote:You're definitely being thick.OHDFC wrote:No, which is why I asked becuase I don't know of any definition of rent that doesn't involve money.
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hich is what I asked originally.
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It hasn't.Darlogramps wrote:You - "Explain what you mean by rent an opinion,"OHDFC wrote:Then please help by providing a definition of "rent an opinion", wDarlogramps wrote:You're definitely being thick.OHDFC wrote:No, which is why I asked becuase I don't know of any definition of rent that doesn't involve money.
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hich is what I asked originally.
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Me - "OK here's my explanation."
You - "No, provide me with another definition."
I've explained myself quite fully, the explanation is there for all to see. You don't like it but that's tough. If you want to get upset about semantics, go wild.
Why has my criticising Lineker upset you so much anyway?
Perhaps he shouldn't, but it doesn't matter either way. He is allowed an opinion, and at the time it was an opinion that many others held. He's allowed to change that opinion as well, just as others are.Darlogramps wrote:Perhaps he shouldn't have written Ranieri off before he'd managed a game for Leicester.Spyman wrote:Is he not allowed to change his opinion based on events that have taken place? I don't see why that's hypocritical.Darlogramps wrote:It's not a question of whether his opinion is valid - it's his hypocrisy for criticising Leicester when they appointed Ranieri, and now criticising them for sacking him.OHDFC wrote:So what does "rent an opinion" mean? As far as I am aware Gary Lineker is not only a former Leicester player but also a fan and as such his opinion on Leicester City is valid.
Put simply, I think Lineker's more interested in self-publicity and his own ego than anything else.
It's not as if he's denied that he was proved wrong.
What a strange reply.Darlogramps wrote:Whatever you need to tell yourself.
Anyway getting back on topic, do you think Ranieri should have been sacked?
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