Money Saving Idea

[Markodarlo]

I recall someone telling me that there is a company who are installing solar panels free, the way they then make there money is any excess electricity generated that the electric company would normally pay you for they take.
So basically they hiring your roof in return for no electricity bill.

We could get quite a few solar panels on the roof of the stadium, maybe we could generate enough to actually cover the actual electric bill, pay the company and do a deal to get a bite of the money from the grid?

[shadwellman]

Certainly worth exploring.

[loan_star]

Problem is we only rent the stadium so S&S would probably see more benefit than the club.

[Fibonacci0112358]

Problem is we only rent the stadium so S&S would probably see more benefit than the club.

Except, we don't rent it!

[loan_star]

Well we dont own it!

[snowscape]

F112358: If we are paying £10k/year in rent, how are we not renting the stadium?

[shawry]

dont we lease the stadium? theres a difference I think between a lease and rental?

[princes town]

http://www.barnsley.vitalfootball.co.uk ... p?a=237100

This is an incredibly interesting idea. PM Divas about this. If nothing else there may be the opportunity of stadium sponsorship.

[DL_Fourteen]

I've got investigated this before in a professional capacity and to 'qualify' for the free solar panels is quite tight.

- You have to have a roof of a certain angle, facing due south (IIRC its 25-35 degrees - The Arena is nowhere near that)
- You have to have a roof without any shading at all (I'd imagine the roof cantilevers would rule us out as they'd cast shadow on the panels)
- You have to own the roof, as essentially the agreement is that you then lease the roof to the solar company. We don't own the roof.
- You sign a strict contract to lease out the roof for a minimum of 15 years (IIRC). I think with the unpredictable nature of DFC any advisors will be concerned about the arena as a site.

Theres a strict limit on how many 'free' panels you can have. which (after the arena has used its share) would mean there was little left to sell back to the national grid. Probably not financially viable after the cost of installing them on the high unconventional roof of the arena.

Even if we comply, S&S would get the cash, though we would get the benefit of the free electricity... Worth investigating I agree, but probably not feasible.

Barnsley aren't getting their panels under the free scheme, as the article says, they are paying 'More than £1million'

[princes town]

I've got investigated this before in a professional capacity and to 'qualify' for the free solar panels is quite tight.

You have to have a roof of a certain angle, facing due south
You have to have a roof without any shading at all (I'd imagine the roof cantilevers would rule us out as they'd cast shadow on the panels)
You have to own the roof, as essentially the agreement is that you then lease the roof to the solar company.
You sign a strict contract to lease out the roof for a minimum of 15 years (IIRC). I think with the unpredictable nature of DFC any advisors will be concerned about the arena as a site.

Theres a strict limit on how many panels you can have. which (after the arena has used its share) would mean there was little left to sell back to the national grid. Probably not financially viable after the cost of installing them on the high unconventional roof of the arena.

Even if we comply, S&S would get the cash, though we would get the benefit of the free electricity... Worth investigating I agree, but probably not feasible.

Ok. Thanks for this technical explanation.

[bedaledarlo]

Clevedon were the first club to buy a system. 50kW of my company's panels.

They get full tariff and the savings to boot. Doing a press release on it this morning.

You could also near as damn it guarantee Barnsley FC aren't paying that million, the project cost is a million.

Clevedon cost £100k but the club had to pay an extra 5k in substation works.

Don't be too hung up on roof angles DL. It's only certain firms that stipulate, at the end of the day we calculate each project to see what the returns will be.

The shading isn't too much of an issue either. Arena has a really nice north stand suited to the arena.

The lease matters little. The benefit to the club would be the free leccy. Doesn't matter if Scott and Sizer have it or 1883.

The key problem for me is our existence, if that was insurable for 25 years I'd arrange the whole thing.... sadly I don't know who would insure that!

I cant put everything I've built up against the arena being knocked down in the next 25 years

[Quakerz]

You bought your share yet?

[bedaledarlo]

You bought your share yet?

Not yet. Will do, just got the nod on a house so need the deposit which is a big outlay for us (meant I missed Saturday which is rare for me).

Ill be in in a month or 2 when we have cleared all that out.

I could throw the assets of my company in with someone I know to do the arena roof but it's too risky Q. Doing it on the land might be more attractive cos that wont get demolished, but would need planning ( arena roof would easily get the planning nod for that job ). But then the land profit issues come in.

As Robbo said a few months back you'd be crazy to be a creditor of this club!

I'd rather just buy a share and I will

[Jazz Maverick]

Ill be in in a month or 2 when we have cleared all that out.

Course you will.

[Quakerz]

You bought your share yet?

Not yet. Will do, just got the nod on a house so need the deposit which is a big outlay for us (meant I missed Saturday which is rare for me).

Ill be in in a month or 2 when we have cleared all that out.

You only actually have a month. Forget the "or two"

Looks like the solar panel business maybe isn't the best business to be in considering you are always wanting £10 entry and haven't even bought a share yet.

[bedaledarlo]

On the contrary it is a very, very good business.

Can I afford a share now? No. Has it got anything to do with the strengths of the solar business? No.

Is this relevant to the OP? No.

Do I expect the 2 of you to reply with more utterly irrelevant and perhaps offensive rubbish? Yes.

Do you have better things to do with your lives? Unsure

[love it!]

Could you PM me bedale about solar panels. Ive always been intriuged by them and wonder what outlay and if I could get them on my house. Ive got a 2 bed semi and a 2 bed terrace, could I do it on both?

Thanks in advance

[joejaques]

The shading isn't too much of an issue either. Arena has a really nice north stand suited to the arena.

The key problem for me is our existence, if that was insurable for 25 years I'd arrange the whole thing.... sadly I don't know who would insure that!

I doubt if you, I, or Richard Branson could afford the premiums.

[bedaledarlo]

Could you PM me bedale about solar panels. Ive always been intriuged by them and wonder what outlay and if I could get them on my house. Ive got a 2 bed semi and a 2 bed terrace, could I do it on both?

Thanks in advance

You have been PM'd young man

[Fibonacci0112358]

F112358: If we are paying £10k/year in rent, how are we not renting the stadium?

Again. We're not paying rent as such.

[Fibonacci0112358]

dont we lease the stadium? theres a difference I think between a lease and rental?

Well spotted Shawry.

A lease being a long term agreement in which the terms can't be altered by the landlord during the lifetime of the agreement.

A rental agreement can be altered by the landlord by giving an agreed period of notice.