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Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:22 pm
Is Ted Forster back?Spyman wrote:Shut up, Ted.
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Is Ted Forster back?Spyman wrote:Shut up, Ted.
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He never left. Except that bit around 2011 when he pretended he'd died or something.Vodka_Vic wrote:Is Ted Forster back?Spyman wrote:Shut up, Ted.
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Undertones of violence?? There's only only person throwing abuse about on here. I'm worried that you are planning on being as abusive at the fans forum to those who wish to voice an opinion.tezza wrote:You seem irritated.... and undertones of violence....not really attributes i would be looking for in a new board member, all be it self projected
Yarblockos wrote:The thing is Les, I don't think they actually are working on a feasible plan allowing a return to the FL. All they had was a plan to get back to Darlo, to have a ground suitable for NLN and eventually NLP, but there isn't a plan for the FL. I say this, because if there was, they wouldn't have started by raising money to build structures that will have to be knocked down. If they had a long term plan that simply would not have happened.super_les_mcjannet wrote:I know it's a serious question in one sense but 4 years ago I was belting to Sunderland RCA & Whitley Bay, whilst watching home games in Bishop Auckland to watch Darlo and now we have people worrying that our new ground that is less than 4 months old won't be right for Football LeagueYarblockos wrote:I think we have a stable future at BM alright, but not the kind of stability you'll like.
If we ever got promoted to the FL, we would have three seasons by which we would have to reach a capacity of 5,000 which must include at least 2,000 seats.
Where are we going to fit 2000 seats at BM?
I know we have to progress and see the possibilities but the club are working at this long term plan, lets just hear what they have to say before worrying too much.
At the AGM they said that going full-time was nowhere near possible in the near future, so I think they have taken the approach that getting into the FL won't happen for a very, very long time. Essentially, we'll worry about it when it happens (beacuse it won't).
I think it might be time for the board to admit at the Fans Forum that don't have any realistic plans on getting back to the FL. Without a miracle or a very rich investor of course.
So, if your theory is correct, those clubs that are currently flourishing in League 2 are only doing so because of their declared ambitions to reach the Premiership. I seem to recall that Darlington FC was once in that position with a certain Mr. Reynolds and look where that got us in the end.darloed19 wrote:Yarblockos wrote:The thing is Les, I don't think they actually are working on a feasible plan allowing a return to the FL. All they had was a plan to get back to Darlo, to have a ground suitable for NLN and eventually NLP, but there isn't a plan for the FL. I say this, because if there was, they wouldn't have started by raising money to build structures that will have to be knocked down. If they had a long term plan that simply would not have happened.super_les_mcjannet wrote:I know it's a serious question in one sense but 4 years ago I was belting to Sunderland RCA & Whitley Bay, whilst watching home games in Bishop Auckland to watch Darlo and now we have people worrying that our new ground that is less than 4 months old won't be right for Football LeagueYarblockos wrote:I think we have a stable future at BM alright, but not the kind of stability you'll like.
If we ever got promoted to the FL, we would have three seasons by which we would have to reach a capacity of 5,000 which must include at least 2,000 seats.
Where are we going to fit 2000 seats at BM?
I know we have to progress and see the possibilities but the club are working at this long term plan, lets just hear what they have to say before worrying too much.
At the AGM they said that going full-time was nowhere near possible in the near future, so I think they have taken the approach that getting into the FL won't happen for a very, very long time. Essentially, we'll worry about it when it happens (beacuse it won't).
I think it might be time for the board to admit at the Fans Forum that don't have any realistic plans on getting back to the FL. Without a miracle or a very rich investor of course.
If there is not feasible plan to get back into the football league then surely the club is going to stagnate in these lower leagues.... We can all sing from the terraces that we are "darlo till we die", and so on, but, if the club do not even have ambition to even attempt a long term plan of us getting back into the football league. without ambition of ever getting back into the football league what do the fans have to look forward too? another top half finish in some poxy league where sky sports news can't even be bothered to do the half time scores for... because of this attendance will fall to such a state where we won't have the financial capability to even compete in this league and will end up exactly where we started four years ago and end up being a similarly standard of the likes of bishop auckland, shildon ect. I understand that the club at the moment do not have the realistic funding to build a ground anywhere near football league standards, but at least give the fans some hope and optimism instead of leaving us in the dark.
There is no magic wand here - based on the accounts in recent years we've continually overspent and had to make the cash back from fans at the end of the season. Crowds haven't improved relative to the move up in levels and therefore additional playing budget needed we've seen.darloed19 wrote:Yarblockos wrote:The thing is Les, I don't think they actually are working on a feasible plan allowing a return to the FL. All they had was a plan to get back to Darlo, to have a ground suitable for NLN and eventually NLP, but there isn't a plan for the FL. I say this, because if there was, they wouldn't have started by raising money to build structures that will have to be knocked down. If they had a long term plan that simply would not have happened.super_les_mcjannet wrote:I know it's a serious question in one sense but 4 years ago I was belting to Sunderland RCA & Whitley Bay, whilst watching home games in Bishop Auckland to watch Darlo and now we have people worrying that our new ground that is less than 4 months old won't be right for Football LeagueYarblockos wrote:I think we have a stable future at BM alright, but not the kind of stability you'll like.
If we ever got promoted to the FL, we would have three seasons by which we would have to reach a capacity of 5,000 which must include at least 2,000 seats.
Where are we going to fit 2000 seats at BM?
I know we have to progress and see the possibilities but the club are working at this long term plan, lets just hear what they have to say before worrying too much.
At the AGM they said that going full-time was nowhere near possible in the near future, so I think they have taken the approach that getting into the FL won't happen for a very, very long time. Essentially, we'll worry about it when it happens (beacuse it won't).
I think it might be time for the board to admit at the Fans Forum that don't have any realistic plans on getting back to the FL. Without a miracle or a very rich investor of course.
If there is not feasible plan to get back into the football league then surely the club is going to stagnate in these lower leagues.... We can all sing from the terraces that we are "darlo till we die", and so on, but, if the club do not even have ambition to even attempt a long term plan of us getting back into the football league. without ambition of ever getting back into the football league what do the fans have to look forward too? another top half finish in some poxy league where sky sports news can't even be bothered to do the half time scores for... because of this attendance will fall to such a state where we won't have the financial capability to even compete in this league and will end up exactly where we started four years ago and end up being a similarly standard of the likes of bishop auckland, shildon ect. I understand that the club at the moment do not have the realistic funding to build a ground anywhere near football league standards, but at least give the fans some hope and optimism instead of leaving us in the dark.
The ultimate ambition of the football club is to get back into the Football League.darloed19 wrote:Yarblockos wrote:The thing is Les, I don't think they actually are working on a feasible plan allowing a return to the FL. All they had was a plan to get back to Darlo, to have a ground suitable for NLN and eventually NLP, but there isn't a plan for the FL. I say this, because if there was, they wouldn't have started by raising money to build structures that will have to be knocked down. If they had a long term plan that simply would not have happened.super_les_mcjannet wrote:I know it's a serious question in one sense but 4 years ago I was belting to Sunderland RCA & Whitley Bay, whilst watching home games in Bishop Auckland to watch Darlo and now we have people worrying that our new ground that is less than 4 months old won't be right for Football LeagueYarblockos wrote:I think we have a stable future at BM alright, but not the kind of stability you'll like.
If we ever got promoted to the FL, we would have three seasons by which we would have to reach a capacity of 5,000 which must include at least 2,000 seats.
Where are we going to fit 2000 seats at BM?
I know we have to progress and see the possibilities but the club are working at this long term plan, lets just hear what they have to say before worrying too much.
At the AGM they said that going full-time was nowhere near possible in the near future, so I think they have taken the approach that getting into the FL won't happen for a very, very long time. Essentially, we'll worry about it when it happens (beacuse it won't).
I think it might be time for the board to admit at the Fans Forum that don't have any realistic plans on getting back to the FL. Without a miracle or a very rich investor of course.
If there is not feasible plan to get back into the football league then surely the club is going to stagnate in these lower leagues.... We can all sing from the terraces that we are "darlo till we die", and so on, but, if the club do not even have ambition to even attempt a long term plan of us getting back into the football league. without ambition of ever getting back into the football league what do the fans have to look forward too? another top half finish in some poxy league where sky sports news can't even be bothered to do the half time scores for... because of this attendance will fall to such a state where we won't have the financial capability to even compete in this league and will end up exactly where we started four years ago and end up being a similarly standard of the likes of bishop auckland, shildon ect. I understand that the club at the moment do not have the realistic funding to build a ground anywhere near football league standards, but at least give the fans some hope and optimism instead of leaving us in the dark.
Robbie Painter wrote: .....
We have demonstrated this season that we have the football management team & the finances to compete in this league. ....
"are you going to hit them" would suggest that you have violent intent buried somewhere.Yarblockos wrote:Undertones of violence?? There's only only person throwing abuse about on here. I'm worried that you are planning on being as abusive at the fans forum to those who wish to voice an opinion.tezza wrote:You seem irritated.... and undertones of violence....not really attributes i would be looking for in a new board member, all be it self projected
No Spen. This has clearly been published I'd have thought someone as qualified as you would be a capable of understanding it. Surely this is a required competence for your role - I have concern for your clients at the moment.spen666 wrote:a) what happened to the money raised last time for the pitch? (spent on the playing budget? spent on the ground - if so on what?)
b) does this mean the club are in breach of the FSIF grant because they do not have the funds to match the grant at the time the grant was received?
c) if the club are then in breach of grant, does that money have to be repaid?
lo36789 wrote:No Spen. This has clearly been published I'd have thought someone as qualified as you would be a capable of understanding it. Surely this is a required competence for your role - I have concern for your clients at the moment.spen666 wrote:a) what happened to the money raised last time for the pitch? (spent on the playing budget? spent on the ground - if so on what?)
b) does this mean the club are in breach of the FSIF grant because they do not have the funds to match the grant at the time the grant was received?
c) if the club are then in breach of grant, does that money have to be repaid?
> The ground went over budget.
> The FSIF gave permission that as it was too late in the season we could improve the pitch this year instead of last year.
Why are you still here anyway? Spen's latest saga that he can't seem to resolve is a chipped windscreen...
Can't argue with any of that. Whilst the playing squad has had lots of investment, off the field has had nothing. We have filled that space with willing and passionate fans who have volunteered but many just don't have the key skills or time needed to take the club to the next level in terms of bringing in incremental revenue.Robbie Painter wrote:The ultimate ambition of the football club is to get back into the Football League.darloed19 wrote:Yarblockos wrote:The thing is Les, I don't think they actually are working on a feasible plan allowing a return to the FL. All they had was a plan to get back to Darlo, to have a ground suitable for NLN and eventually NLP, but there isn't a plan for the FL. I say this, because if there was, they wouldn't have started by raising money to build structures that will have to be knocked down. If they had a long term plan that simply would not have happened.super_les_mcjannet wrote:I know it's a serious question in one sense but 4 years ago I was belting to Sunderland RCA & Whitley Bay, whilst watching home games in Bishop Auckland to watch Darlo and now we have people worrying that our new ground that is less than 4 months old won't be right for Football LeagueYarblockos wrote:I think we have a stable future at BM alright, but not the kind of stability you'll like.
If we ever got promoted to the FL, we would have three seasons by which we would have to reach a capacity of 5,000 which must include at least 2,000 seats.
Where are we going to fit 2000 seats at BM?
I know we have to progress and see the possibilities but the club are working at this long term plan, lets just hear what they have to say before worrying too much.
At the AGM they said that going full-time was nowhere near possible in the near future, so I think they have taken the approach that getting into the FL won't happen for a very, very long time. Essentially, we'll worry about it when it happens (beacuse it won't).
I think it might be time for the board to admit at the Fans Forum that don't have any realistic plans on getting back to the FL. Without a miracle or a very rich investor of course.
If there is not feasible plan to get back into the football league then surely the club is going to stagnate in these lower leagues.... We can all sing from the terraces that we are "darlo till we die", and so on, but, if the club do not even have ambition to even attempt a long term plan of us getting back into the football league. without ambition of ever getting back into the football league what do the fans have to look forward too? another top half finish in some poxy league where sky sports news can't even be bothered to do the half time scores for... because of this attendance will fall to such a state where we won't have the financial capability to even compete in this league and will end up exactly where we started four years ago and end up being a similarly standard of the likes of bishop auckland, shildon ect. I understand that the club at the moment do not have the realistic funding to build a ground anywhere near football league standards, but at least give the fans some hope and optimism instead of leaving us in the dark.
The ultimate ambition of Martin Gray is to be the person that takes DFC back into the football league. I believe he's shown over the last 5 seasons he has the ability to do that.
Will it be easy? No
Have we stagnated yet? No
Do we need lots more £££ to be invested into BM infrastructure? Yes. We're are going to have to dig deep & raise it ourselves or fund it through exceptional income (cup runs, player sales).
We have demonstrated this season that we have the football management team & the finances to compete in this league. If the board, the supporters group & the fans can provide MG with a similar level of finances next season whilst at the same time funding an additional 200+ seats then there is every chance we can go up to the National League in 2018.
The challenge now is to grow the football club revenues to match Martin Gray's ambition. The initial aim must be to get crowds consistently over 2k. We need to maximise our commercial revenue & grow all other revenue streams. Off the pitch we're going to need fresh ideas, additional volunteers, an effective strategy & strong leadership.
Supporters who abuse other supporters = goodtezza wrote:"are you going to hit them" would suggest that you have violent intent buried somewhere.
Thanks for your concern, however let me worry about myself. Clearly the "back of a fag packet" designs and long term strategy ready for your presentation Friday night. Will you have a remote link to your backers ?
What are you on about?spen666 wrote:The FSIF permission you describe seems to relate to timing, not to funding.
The timing point is pretty irrelevant as the pitch could not be improved mid season..
The more worrying point is that for matched funding, you have to have the funding BEFORE you get the grant.
If the funding is being raised now, then it appears the terms of he FSIF grant may not have been complied with. This would result potentially in the grant ( or that part of it) being repayable to the FSIF.
lo36789 wrote:What are you on about?spen666 wrote:The FSIF permission you describe seems to relate to timing, not to funding.
The timing point is pretty irrelevant as the pitch could not be improved mid season..
The more worrying point is that for matched funding, you have to have the funding BEFORE you get the grant.
If the funding is being raised now, then it appears the terms of he FSIF grant may not have been complied with. This would result potentially in the grant ( or that part of it) being repayable to the FSIF.
We raised however much which was matched by a grant to do works on the pitch. This may have been £10k (matched to £20k) or whatever. We then received that grant money into a 'bank account' and the ground development went over budget.
If we do not spend said amount of money on the pitch as per our plans then we would need to pay that element of the grant money back.
I don't think that the FSIF brought us a case of £20 notes and stated that those specific notes had to be spent on pitch improvements. They gave us an overall grant to improve the ground of which £x amount was allocated to pitch improvements - and we have until this summer to make said pitch improvements.
Is it that hard to understand?