Changes to play-offs
Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 4:18 pm
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I think the same rumour circulated last season but didn't happenal_quaker wrote:I can see both sides of the argument for extending the playoffs, but there are 2 things which concern me. Firstly, in that link it states:
"Match 1: 4th v 7th
Match 2: 5th v 6th
Match 3: 2nd v Winner of Match 1
Match 4: 3rd v Winner of Match 2"
Surely this is unfair - could well be 2nd v 4th and 3rd v 6th in the SFs. I hope it's a mistake and that it would be 2nd v lowest ranked team, 3rd v the other one.
Also, there are rumours of the final being held at MK Dons. For a whole variety of reasons I hope this is not true.
The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
JE93 wrote:The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
Er, you are wrong you cant play in the playoffs unless you have 500 covered seats.spen666 wrote:JE93 wrote:The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
The 500 seats rule has nothing to do with playing home play off games.
The 500 seat rule is in place to ensure grounds are up to standard by the time the side get to National Division. ( Not saying it is a sensible rule, but that is the logic behind it)
He's not saying you can play in the play-offs at home without the 500 covered seats, he's saying the rule is in place to stop sides getting promoted into the league above without the requisite number of seats for the following season.poppyfield wrote:Er, you are wrong you cant play in the playoffs unless you have 500 covered seats.spen666 wrote:JE93 wrote:The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
The 500 seats rule has nothing to do with playing home play off games.
The 500 seat rule is in place to ensure grounds are up to standard by the time the side get to National Division. ( Not saying it is a sensible rule, but that is the logic behind it)
I think cause and effect here and what is the actual motivation behind the rule.poppyfield wrote:Er, you are wrong you cant play in the playoffs unless you have 500 covered seats.spen666 wrote:JE93 wrote:The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
The 500 seats rule has nothing to do with playing home play off games.
The 500 seat rule is in place to ensure grounds are up to standard by the time the side get to National Division. ( Not saying it is a sensible rule, but that is the logic behind it)
I am not wronglo36789 wrote:I think cause and effect here and what is the actual motivation behind the rule.poppyfield wrote:Er, you are wrong you cant play in the playoffs unless you have 500 covered seats.spen666 wrote:JE93 wrote:The new playoff rules makes the seats rule even more daft tbh. A team could finish 7th. Have no opportunity to play any home playoffs in stage 1, semi-finals and finals. But could still be barred from taking part on the grounds that they do not have 500 covered seats.poppyfield wrote:After the fiasco of last seasons playoffs North and South didn't they say that the rule would be looked at regarding having 500 seats just to play in the playoffs?
The 500 seats rule has nothing to do with playing home play off games.
The 500 seat rule is in place to ensure grounds are up to standard by the time the side get to National Division. ( Not saying it is a sensible rule, but that is the logic behind it)
Spen is wrong in saying it has nothing to do with playing home play off games because actually that is ultimately the outcome.
Ultimately though the reason the rule exists is that grounds must be guaranteed to be up to spec on day 1 of the National League season (well 500 covered seats) and they don't want to end up in the position of having to complete the playoffs and then reprieve a relegated team.
I certainly am not. I am bemused that as a solicitor you have come to that conclusion from the followingspen666 wrote:You are confusing the effect of the ruling ( ie stopping you getting promotion or into the play offs) with the purpose of the rule which is to ensure the grounds are up to the standard of the National division.
Not having the 500 seats would prevent you from playing home play off games. Therefore it has something 'to do' with it. Therefore your statement above is most definitely wrong.spen666 wrote:The 500 seats rule has nothing to do with playing home play off games.
lo36789 wrote: ....
Not having the 500 seats would prevent you from playing home play off games. Therefore it has something 'to do' with it. Therefore your statement above is most definitely wrong.
to quote the FA Regulations, it is clear they apply to teams going up without playing in play offs ( ie winning division), therefore the requirement is not to have them for the purpose of the play off gamesPromotion and promotion play-offs: To qualify for promotion to the Football Conference Premier Division by winning the respective NORTH/SOUTH Championship and for the club to participate in the promotion play off matches, the ground must achieve a Category “B” Grading together with 500 seats under cover by 31st March in each season. These seats may be in two stands, with no stand having less than 100 seats.
What are you on about - where did I make any reference to going up as champions.spen666 wrote:So why would not having 500 seats prevent the champions being promoted?
lo36789 wrote:What are you on about - where did I make any reference to going up as champions.spen666 wrote:So why would not having 500 seats prevent the champions being promoted?
All I said is that the 500 rule has a bearing on being able to play a home play off game. It is similarly impactful upon ability to play an away game or be granted automatic promotion.
No matter whether you are at home in the play offs or notwembleychamps wrote:The simple fact is whether you're champions or you're in the play-offs you can't go up unless you have 500 covered seats as they are the rules for the league above? So really as far as I can see this argument is pointless
But the league above also requires 8 turnstiles we only have 6. I also think we would need to increase capacity and toilet facilities. But this was not a reason for not being allowed to play in the playoffs. So it can't be about having a ground that is 'ready' for the league above. Its an anomaly of a rule. I just don't really get its strategic intent if I'm honest.wembleychamps wrote:No matter whether you are at home in the play offs or notwembleychamps wrote:The simple fact is whether you're champions or you're in the play-offs you can't go up unless you have 500 covered seats as they are the rules for the league above? So really as far as I can see this argument is pointless
It is. Basically they are saying they are happy that you can play in the division for the first however many months while you get other facilities up to scratch. The minimum on day 1 is that you have 500 seats under cover.JE93 wrote:So it can't be about having a ground that is 'ready' for the league above. Its an anomaly of a rule. I just don't really get its strategic intent if I'm honest.
Yes. We would be eligible for more grants as well as a National League club.murtonquaker wrote:Is the criteria thats in force at the moment only ask for the 500 seats?
Could we go up with the minimum number of seats and be given a period to further develop (31 March in the season following promotion) the ground i.e. Toilets, Turnstiles and Segregation etc
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banktopp wrote:Are spen and lo married ?
We have a dishwasher?theoriginalfatcat wrote:banktopp wrote:Are spen and lo married ?
Yes they are - and Spen never loads up the dishwasher properly - it's a constant cause of irritation between them.
That's a revelation, they have electricity in Spennymoor!!!!!spen666 wrote:We have a dishwasher?theoriginalfatcat wrote:banktopp wrote:Are spen and lo married ?
Yes they are - and Spen never loads up the dishwasher properly - it's a constant cause of irritation between them.