Why..Burgess is not good enough according to most fans and Vaulks is on a months loan which you probably can't recall..Shite happens I'm affraid we have to get on with itjjljks wrote:With Collins red carded, surely we need to recall Vaulks and/or Burgess?
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If we carry on like this, it's obvious what will happen. We'll be relegated, then Wright will leave after a shocking start in the NPL.QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Let's get behind the management and players Gramps, a lot of frustration has been released on this message board but we have all had a say so we need to move forward and get behind Tommy and Alan starting tomorrow.
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I'm sorry, but I can't get behind a manager I didn't want and don't have confidence in. I was underwhelmed when he was appointed and think even less of him as a manager now.
I want to be proved wrong but suspect I won't be.
I don't think he's capable of turning this around and unfortunately we're stuck with him because of our financial position.
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Fair point, gramps. Like the man said there are lies, damned lies and statistics. I suppose no one set of stats can tell a whole story, and the same set of stats can carry different weight depending on the circumstances, as you point out.Darlogramps wrote:To judge someone on win percentage alone is reductionist and flawed. A win ratio of 1 in 3 for a side in a relegation battle is a good ratio (works out at about 13 wins in the Premier League, which is 39 points, which usually will keep a side up).biccynana wrote:Up to a point, fat cat. Even including his Everton career, Allardyce’s Prem Leg win percentage is only 34% (only the 13th best of current PL managers), according to http://www.1sports1.com/premier-league- ... ercentage/. His career win percentage in all managerial posts is 39.5%.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Allardyce must coach these basic facts into his players over and over and over again.............. and it works.
Different story if it's a title chasing club but Allardyce has rarely been in that situation. Usually he's given a brief to keep a side up, and that's what he does (Sunderland, Palace, West Ham, Blackburn, Bolton, now Everton).
His biggest PL failure was Newcastle, where there was more expectation. Is it simply a case of horses for courses with Allardyce? The ideal bottom-half Premier League manager, but not someone you'd appoint if you're after Champions League football.
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Maybe, but I'd say it's worse to keep a failing manager who is not up to the task.Spyman wrote:Think I'm probably with you on that, bit as we've seen before, constant chopping and changing of management often makes things worse not better.Darlogramps wrote:Thing is though, he may be overhauling the playing style - but does he know what to?Spyman wrote:Compare us to Crystal Palace, who last season had the ultimate in play-to-your-strengths simple football under Allardyce.
Over the summer they traded that for De Boer who tried to get a limited squad to completely alter playing style over night and asked them to play an unfamiliar formation and base their game on possession football. Great of the players are good enough or you have enough players familiar with that style, but he tried to change it over the course of a pre-season.
They then revert to a pragmatic manager in Hodgson who builds his team's on organisation and doing the simple things right and they immediately start getting results.
For all the criticism about Gray and the style of football he played, it's a style the probably only needed tweaking and we probably only have players who could cope with a tweaking of this style. To try and overhaul the entire style and system of the team is too much and it seems it's showing.
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It just seems to me a really scattergun approach, that he's hoping it will click. He's had nearly three months in charge and I have no idea what his philosophy is, or what he's trying to achieve with the squad. Does he even know? And if so, does he know how to achieve that? I've seen nothing to suggest he does.
If we've no contingency for going down, then we must do everything we can to stay up. Quite literally, we can't afford to go down.
On that basis, and on his abysmal previous record as a manager, I have no confidence in Wright turning this around. Let's face it, if he wasn't an ex-Darlo player, we wouldn't have gone near him for the job in the first place.
Turnbull and Brown did a far better job in their brief spell in charge than Wright has done since.
Hopefully Wright is aware enough to go back to basics - particularly over a tough couple of upcoming matches, and we can at least be competitive. Another change in manager so soon certainly won't look good so let's hope he turns it around.
It's up to Wright to prove he is capable of improving things. In his three months in charge, he is yet to do that.
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It's usual for a clause to be put into a loan period, that a player can be recalled in an emergency and I'd say this is an emergency. Get Vaulks back and into the first team, he was impressive against Boro under 23's, when few others shined.HarrytheQuaker wrote:Why..Burgess is not good enough according to most fans and Vaulks is on a months loan which you probably can't recall..Shite happens I'm affraid we have to get on with itjjljks wrote:With Collins red carded, surely we need to recall Vaulks and/or Burgess?
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Talks a great game, doesn't have a clue
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It is so disappointing that there are so many virtually baying for blood here now.
We were playing absolute rubbish football before TW came in and he has had but a short time to turn things around. Yes he looks like he has made mistakes but he is a young manager and still learning, but the football has been better to watch with young players to come through. Now is the time for us true fans just to back the team to the end of the season, they are short of confidence so instead of us fans becoming the 12th man we are in danger of becoming the minus one man.
I have been as critical as anyone when watching home and away but have given my head a shake and think we as fans can actually help the team gain in confidence by getting behind them now till the end of the season what ever the result (as long as they are trying).
At the end of the season we can review how it went.
Up the Quakers!!!!
We were playing absolute rubbish football before TW came in and he has had but a short time to turn things around. Yes he looks like he has made mistakes but he is a young manager and still learning, but the football has been better to watch with young players to come through. Now is the time for us true fans just to back the team to the end of the season, they are short of confidence so instead of us fans becoming the 12th man we are in danger of becoming the minus one man.
I have been as critical as anyone when watching home and away but have given my head a shake and think we as fans can actually help the team gain in confidence by getting behind them now till the end of the season what ever the result (as long as they are trying).
At the end of the season we can review how it went.
Up the Quakers!!!!
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The football is not better to watch. We're getting dicked every week and Wright has no gameplan to improve things.50 years wrote:It is so disappointing that there are so many virtually baying for blood here now.
We were playing absolute rubbish football before TW came in and he has had but a short time to turn things around. Yes he looks like he has made mistakes but he is a young manager and still learning, but the football has been better to watch with young players to come through. Now is the time for us true fans just to back the team to the end of the season, they are short of confidence so instead of us fans becoming the 12th man we are in danger of becoming the minus one man.
I have been as critical as anyone when watching home and away but have given my head a shake and think we as fans can actually help the team gain in confidence by getting behind them now till the end of the season what ever the result (as long as they are trying).
At the end of the season we can review how it went.
Up the Quakers!!!!
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We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
Just my view of course.
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My view also, good post, let's ALL get behind Tommy and the boys.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
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Thought the whole point of loans is that while we don't have a need for a player then happy to see them gaining match fitness with another team, but if we have an unforeseen needHarrytheQuaker wrote:Why..Burgess is not good enough according to most fans and Vaulks is on a months loan which you probably can't recall..Shite happens I'm affraid we have to get on with itjjljks wrote:With Collins red carded, surely we need to recall Vaulks and/or Burgess?
(Like Dom Collins red card) then we can recall players? Vaulks is my preferred choice and this could be his breakthrough chance.
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I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
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I’ll bore people again with a comparison to Hearts. Craig Levein returns and pretty much does what was listed for Allerdyce.
Footballers are generally thick or so conditioned to playing one way they don’t often adapt.
Tell a centre back to win headers, make successful tackles and clear the ball from danger and they can relate to that. Nail that and a la Hearts all of a sudden your team starts picking up points from 0-0’s. A few games later you’re nicking 1-0’s. Before you know it the team have a 7 or 8 game unbeaten run to then start tweaking one thing with one player.
Footballers are generally thick or so conditioned to playing one way they don’t often adapt.
Tell a centre back to win headers, make successful tackles and clear the ball from danger and they can relate to that. Nail that and a la Hearts all of a sudden your team starts picking up points from 0-0’s. A few games later you’re nicking 1-0’s. Before you know it the team have a 7 or 8 game unbeaten run to then start tweaking one thing with one player.
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From the York game though we've been s***. I'd rather watch us try to play football and be s*** over what we had since York.Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
At the end of the day we are where we are and I'm not sure there would be any point changing manager at this time, I'm not even 100% certain a relegation would harm us that much as I think we are currently settling towards core support who would come anyway.
We were going to have a blip season sooner rather than later, and as fans we've faced far worse than a relegation so I'm willing to back the manager if what we get means greater stability in the long term.
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But why is playing a passing game more preferable to taking a pragmatic approach? So long as we get the ball in the net, that's all that matters. You don't get bonus points for playing passing football so I don't get why it's seen as being what we have to do. It's a massive fallacy that it's better to play the passing game.shawry wrote:From the York game though we've been s***. I'd rather watch us try to play football and be s*** over what we had since York.Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
Trying to take a passing approach is seeing us getting thrashed week in, week out. Wright doesn't know how to achieve it.
We were at least competitive under Gray. Under Wright, we've gone backwards with no sign of improvement.
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What results did we get from Gray in his last 10 matches ?Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
As you say he had a plan, lump it up to Beck. Everone knew that and we became easy to beat. His only other plan was to keep buying new players as York are finding out to their cost.
We became totally uncompetitive under Gray, should of given Turnbull and Brown more time, when no one else of sufficient quality wanted our managers job
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As I said, I'm not hankering for a return for Gray. But I don't get the impression Wright has any idea what his philosophy is or what he wants to get out of the team.banktopp wrote:What results did we get from Gray in his last 10 matches ?Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
As you say he had a plan, lump it up to Beck. Everone knew that and we became easy to beat. His only other plan was to keep buying new players as York are finding out to their cost.
We became totally uncompetitive under Gray, should of given Turnbull and Brown more time, when no one else of sufficient quality wanted our managers job
It's easier to say with hindsight, but I agree with you about Turnbull and Brown.
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Gray’s lumping tactics only became a thing when we ran out of money, and ideas, in the Conference North this time last year. Once the playing field was level in terms of budget and squad, we had no answer.
Before that, we generally played great football, albeit direct, with very technically proficient players for the level we were at.
Before that, we generally played great football, albeit direct, with very technically proficient players for the level we were at.
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Disagree, Turnbull and Brown are not managers. They would never have been able to sign Styche or the new goal keeper or the other players that Wright has sorted.banktopp wrote:We became totally uncompetitive under Gray, should of given Turnbull and Brown more time, when no one else of sufficient quality wanted our managers job
Furthermore Turnbull and Brown (both part time don't forget) need to concentrate as much as they can on their playing/training and fitness.
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It's like the obsession with the David Hodgson knock the ball across the back line until you lose possession football versus Dave Penney's match winning style. Mind boggling.Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
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It's like the obsession with the David Hodgson knock the ball across the back line until you lose possession football versus Dave Penney's match winning style. Mind boggling.Spyman wrote:Darlogramps wrote:I'm genuinely surprised you think our error-strewn, directionless, gutless displays are better to watch than us beating Salford earlier in the season. They're really not.50 years wrote:We will just have to have different views. For me I was disappointed with the long ball week after week and believe I am seeing the team trying to play football (we were getting dicked before TW as well ). May not be the right players or formations but think they will get there in the end (of course I may be wrong and have been before). Just think now is the time for us to stand with the team as if the fans get on the players and managers backs they will get nervous at making mistakes and are already low on confidence.
Just my view of course.
And to call Gray a long ball manager is incorrect. He was pragmatic yes, but we played some more passing-based football too.
I've never understand why the long ball game is reviled, and passing the ball is revered. There's no right way to play the game. So long as we have a plan and get results. Under Gray we did that, under Wright we look clueless.
Not that I'm hankering for a return of Martin Gray of course. But we need some coherence to our play, which Wright isn't giving us.
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I don't remember winning many leagues or cups under either Penney or Hodgson, but I do know which style was easier on the eye.
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This is what I don't understand (and no one answers).
Why is passing it around viewed as "easier on the eye"? The only thing to me that's easy on the eye is the ball ending up in the opposition net. A well worked long ball move can be equally as technically accomplished as a neat passing move.
You don't get extra points for passing more. Interestingly people at the game say we adopted a more pragmatic approach (I was working so couldn't make it).
A tad more pragmatism earns its rewards. I don't get why playing long ball gets demonised in the way it does. And amazingly, few people were complaining about Gray's more pragmatic approach when we were winning titles.
Why is passing it around viewed as "easier on the eye"? The only thing to me that's easy on the eye is the ball ending up in the opposition net. A well worked long ball move can be equally as technically accomplished as a neat passing move.
You don't get extra points for passing more. Interestingly people at the game say we adopted a more pragmatic approach (I was working so couldn't make it).
A tad more pragmatism earns its rewards. I don't get why playing long ball gets demonised in the way it does. And amazingly, few people were complaining about Gray's more pragmatic approach when we were winning titles.
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Yeah OK I get your point. Should have said easier on MY eye..
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
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I've always preferred function to form in football. We played litre bits of brilliant football under Gray - remember cartman's goal v tamworth last year - but we're effective because we were so relentless in getting the ball forward.
The play off win v bamber bridge qas achieved from the air, and I had no problem with that at all.
The only time I see an argument for ditching the long ball is when it isn't working. At our level though, if you have some big bugger who annoys defenders and a nippy grafter to sweep up the bits, it tends to work.
The play off win v bamber bridge qas achieved from the air, and I had no problem with that at all.
The only time I see an argument for ditching the long ball is when it isn't working. At our level though, if you have some big bugger who annoys defenders and a nippy grafter to sweep up the bits, it tends to work.
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I know I sound like an annoying child, but why do you prefer it on the ground?My opinion wrote:Yeah OK I get your point. Should have said easier on MY eye..
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
A misplaced pass is just as ugly as an aimless hoof. I just think it's a social construction that a passing style is good and long ball is ugly.
In reality, it doesn't matter either way, so long as the ball winds up in the opposition's net.
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To me it is a matter of perspective
Best way I can describe it is like the difference between a landscape painting and a modern art scribble. I myself would prefer the landscape.
Best way I can describe it is like the difference between a landscape painting and a modern art scribble. I myself would prefer the landscape.
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You are correct, it ending up in the net is what it's all about.Darlogramps wrote:I know I sound like an annoying child, but why do you prefer it on the ground?My opinion wrote:Yeah OK I get your point. Should have said easier on MY eye..
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
A misplaced pass is just as ugly as an aimless hoof. I just think it's a social construction that a passing style is good and long ball is ugly.
In reality, it doesn't matter either way, so long as the ball winds up in the opposition's net.
However if we aren't going to score either way I'd rather watch us string 3 passes together along the half-way line that punt it up to no one.
It's about my wasted Saturdays really, and if we aren't going to score then I'd rather see a little bit of ineffective football rather than ineffective hoof ball.
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But why do you view one as hoofball and one as football? You're saying one style is worse than the other, but no one explains why they think that. The answer always seems to be "It just is" which is a cop out.shawry wrote:You are correct, it ending up in the net is what it's all about.Darlogramps wrote:I know I sound like an annoying child, but why do you prefer it on the ground?My opinion wrote:Yeah OK I get your point. Should have said easier on MY eye..
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
A misplaced pass is just as ugly as an aimless hoof. I just think it's a social construction that a passing style is good and long ball is ugly.
In reality, it doesn't matter either way, so long as the ball winds up in the opposition's net.
However if we aren't going to score either way I'd rather watch us string 3 passes together along the half-way line that punt it up to no one.
It's about my wasted Saturdays really, and if we aren't going to score then I'd rather see a little bit of ineffective football rather than ineffective hoof ball.
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I've nothing wrong with people having a preference. Just find it interesting that no one really explains why that is. To me, it's a social construct that's just taken hold over decades.
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My opinion is that hoofball is often a ball that goes aimlessly for a long distance down the pitch without expectation of it getting to any of our players.. Passing football is where an attempt is made to pass the ball long or short to a place where it is expected that one of our players would get control of it first.
As I said, it's just my opinion.
As I said, it's just my opinion.
Re: Gainsborough v Darlington Match Thread
No, I haven't said ones better than the other just that I prefer watching one over the other.Darlogramps wrote:But why do you view one as hoofball and one as football? You're saying one style is worse than the other, but no one explains why they think that. The answer always seems to be "It just is" which is a cop out.shawry wrote:You are correct, it ending up in the net is what it's all about.Darlogramps wrote:I know I sound like an annoying child, but why do you prefer it on the ground?My opinion wrote:Yeah OK I get your point. Should have said easier on MY eye..
Would much prefer the ball on the ground, Clough style. As opposed to the Wimbledon style of the 80's.
Just my opinion.
A misplaced pass is just as ugly as an aimless hoof. I just think it's a social construction that a passing style is good and long ball is ugly.
In reality, it doesn't matter either way, so long as the ball winds up in the opposition's net.
However if we aren't going to score either way I'd rather watch us string 3 passes together along the half-way line that punt it up to no one.
It's about my wasted Saturdays really, and if we aren't going to score then I'd rather see a little bit of ineffective football rather than ineffective hoof ball.
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I've nothing wrong with people having a preference. Just find it interesting that no one really explains why that is. To me, it's a social construct that's just taken hold over decades.
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It's a preference, probably because my 3 pointless passes in the centre circle involve a couple of successful passes and sometimes more players, whereas an ineffective punt either involves it bouncing off our player or missing them completely.
It's hard to explain to be fair, but if we are going to be ineffective I'd rather we keep the ball as long as possible to limit the amount of time the opposition have it.
That said, if we play a direct style and it's mostly effective I'm happy watching that.
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