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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:16 am 
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...apparently....

https://dansimmonite.com/2018/02/26/are-phoenix-clubs-ruining-non-league/

Unfair on the little teams who have been building steadily for years? Yeah, right, like Salford, for example? From what I recall of our time in the Northern League, most weren't thinking how unfair that we were denying them the chance of glory... they were just delighted to be quids in when we visited. It even gave Spenny the push they needed because it was only when we arrived that they started to show an inclination to move on up after deciding to stay put for years.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:21 am 
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I don't agree with your reasoning, but I agree the article is non-sense and clearly written by someone with a grudge. Read his response to comments.

What the author fails to properly address is what should happen to a team that goes bust ( I know Darlington didn't)

If they do not start at Step 5 or below, what does he want to happen?

a) no club be allowed in that place ever again?
b) re start at same level as they were before?

If b), then what an invcentive to run your football club badly, spend money you dont have, go bust , & reform at same level.

Also wouldn't reforming at the same level be even more unfair on clubs lower down pyramid who have fought for years to get to say NLN if a new club are placed there to start with?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:57 am 
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The author works for the media team at Blyth, which probably explains his bitterness.

Still frustrated at us beating them to promotion a couple of seasons back.

As for the point about Spennymoor being denied promotion by us is bizarre given they had turned down promotions in the previous seasons despite winning the Northern League.

The biggest flaw is he doesn't explain what he wants to see happen. Ex-league clubs banned from non-league?

He says clubs with a big fanbase have an advantage. What about the Salfords and the Billericays, who simply have wealthy benefactors? Should they banned?

He mentions FA intervention to stop league clubs being financially stricken and inevitably relegated. Not really sure how that happens, and it shouldn't be down to the FA to be the financial safety net every time, or indeed any time.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:07 pm 
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The Spennymoor point is also bizarre as they ARE a phoenix club.

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Yes, it is a nonsense. It almost seems he is suggesting that a club like Darlington (where the fans paid off all the footballing debts) should not be allowed to have a club at any level because the size of its fanbase would give it an unfair advantage over smaller clubs. In reality it has to start somewhere and then will find its natural level. Didn't realise the Blyth connection... explains a lot.


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At what point do you stop with the fanbase size argument?

North Shields have a bigger fanbase than Newton Aycliffe- should they not be allowed to compete against each other?

His reasoning is reductionist and doesn't stack up.

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Lets face it - there are numerous reasons, and more so than ever, why not all clubs are on a level playing field and this will always temporarily 'distort' competition.

We know we were punching below our level. However, we smashed through those tinpot leagues to get back to something like our natural level. That kept the distortion as short-term as it could be.

Salford, Crawley, Fleetwood, Rushden & Diamonds - all examples of 'traditionally' non-league clubs suddenly finding money and going up the divisions - in many cases not having the fanbase to support the traditional notion of a football league club - does this 'ruin' the football league?

Nonsense pitchfork article.

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Makka Pakka wrote:
The Spennymoor point is also bizarre as they ARE a phoenix club.



Are you sure?

Didn't the original Spennymoor go bust, and then the Evenwood club reversed themselves into Spen's old stamping ground?

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Darlogramps wrote:
The author works for the media team at Blyth, which probably explains his bitterness.

Still frustrated at us beating them to promotion a couple of seasons back.


The Blyth chairman had a dig at Darlo on Sunday night at the NE Sportswriters Awards night. So it's obvious where the author has received his inspiration from.


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I think it is a fair enough question to ask - however where do you stop? York are heavily over spending - and Salford and backed by very wealthy people.
You could go to the top of the game where the richest club in the world and financed by massive debt.
What the article fails to mention about ourselves - is that we are fan owned and therefore we will never break the bank to try and get promotion. So we are as competitive (in terms of our budget) as our income and donations.
Finally, money does not guarantee success, in any league. We have seen this season, when we have played the full time teams, there is very little difference between us and them.

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author works in the media team for Blyth?

piss poor / lazy research then as we are the same club.

either that or he's in the PR dept and if so, he's done well generating publicity for Blyth by writing such a poor piece.


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Maurice_Peddelty wrote:
The Blyth chairman had a dig at Darlo on Sunday night at the NE Sportswriters Awards night.

Really :lol: What about?

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His next article is accusing teams who beat Blyth or pic up more points than Blyth or ruining football

To be followed by arguing players who tackle Bltyh players or goalkeepers who save shots by Blyth of ruining football

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al_quaker wrote:
Maurice_Peddelty wrote:
The Blyth chairman had a dig at Darlo on Sunday night at the NE Sportswriters Awards night.

Really :lol: What about?

During the interview on stage he mentioned that Blyth had been pipped to the NPL Championship by Darlo and went on to say "but that's another story" in a tone that implied we had won it unfairly - presumably because he thinks we should have been docked points because Anthony Bell's international clearance hadn't been sorted properly.


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I have read his article and I think that dan is a young man learning his trade, he has not fully thought out or re-read his article which for me has far too many holes in it to be of any real reasoning of argument. Darlington are not a Phoenix CLUB.young man back to the drawing board.


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Maurice_Peddelty wrote:
al_quaker wrote:
Maurice_Peddelty wrote:
The Blyth chairman had a dig at Darlo on Sunday night at the NE Sportswriters Awards night.

Really :lol: What about?

During the interview on stage he mentioned that Blyth had been pipped to the NPL Championship by Darlo and went on to say "but that's another story" in a tone that implied we had won it unfairly - presumably because he thinks we should have been docked points because Anthony Bell's international clearance hadn't been sorted properly.

To be fair, I can understand why they were annoyed about that at the time. Still, they've since got promoted and are on course for a playoff position while we are involved in a relegation battle, so it might be time to let it go :lol:

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To be fair to the author, at the end, he does state that the article has been written to be debated but, yes, it's half-cocked. It reads like he is putting forward an hypothesis without actually finishing it.


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No solutions whatsoever offered.

The biggest problem? Artificial clubs bankrolled by rich owners pushing old Football League clubs out of the league. See Fleetwood as the prime example. Salford will emulate them, and don't get me started on MK Dons. That is why clubs like ourselves, York and Stockport as where we are, as much as anything else.

I have no issue with smaller clubs pushing up the leagues by the way, but it irritates me when a bunch of bandwagon jumpers adopt a rich mans plaything. That has distorted the ladder more than anything else.


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Three up, three down in the lower divisions, should stop all the squawking.
I know this will be an appalling suggestion for the teams in the 'home for tea' league
where nobody wants promotion.


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Three up, three down in the lower divisions, should stop all the squawking.
I know this will be an appalling suggestion for the teams in the 'home for tea' league
where nobody wants promotion.


Unfortunately that would mean 6 teams are relegated from Step 1,2 & 3 maybe even four due to the pyramid.

National League advised in the summer that the clubs didn't want to move to 4 relegated from Nat North and 4 from Nat South if Step 3 moved to 4 divisions (2 promoted from each).

In fact not sure what the plan is for Step 3 to Step 2 promotion when we have 4 leagues promoting into 2, be even more squeaky bums if the bottom four of our league went down (you would need bottom 6 to do 3 up from each Step 3 league).

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Ah, very complicated then.
I shall withdraw my suggestion.


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