Re: Raj Singh Takeover
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 2:08 pm
I take no pleasure in seeing both H'pool and York having problems - but I do take pleasure in seeing our club in a much better place than it has been for a very long time.
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I believe the Hartlepool Trust's target is only £250k (presumably the balance is intended to come from other business people, if they can be found) but I think that is still a tall order for the 'promise' of only a minority shareholding.al_quaker wrote:In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...
I think that's the initial target - but according to their Trusts twitter (https://twitter.com/HUST_1908/status/970359757457514496) they'd be needing 5k a month for 3 years tooMaurice_Peddelty wrote:I believe the Hartlepool Trust's target is only £250k (presumably the balance is intended to come from other business people, if they can be found) but I think that is still a tall order for the 'promise' of only a minority shareholding.al_quaker wrote:In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...
Oh of course we are - but that's what hindsight is for, and we have the benefit of that now. If Hartlepool's support are wise, they'll take note of that. We provide them with a great example of why perhaps the time is up for these vultures coming after our football clubs.Darlogramps wrote:Thing is though, how many people were saying this in May 2011, when we'd won the Trophy and finished 7th in the Conference?Spyman wrote:Yep, aside from the Trophy win, we had a calamitous season in League Two followed by a very underwhelming first season in the Conference followed by a terrible start to the following season. He mismanaged the club financially, making poor managerial appointments and allowing a revolving-door approach towards player recruitment.theoriginalfatcat wrote:It never really did go well under Singh though did it. We had the good little run to win the Trophy and sold Burn but that was about it. The bottom line to me is that with him in charge DFC sleepwalked out of the league, then became the pawn in a power game which at every turn Singh ballsed things up.tezza wrote:Despite him some would say.D_F_C wrote:I'm no fan of Singh. But strangely enough we won the trophy under him.
Lets not forget his failure to push on with that under our belt, his stewardship led to the demise
As was said he is great when all going well, however when it gets tough ...that said HUFC is fairly close to becoming a care home
Five relegations in two and a half years - nice
And in May 2010, when we'd gone down, how many fans were blaming Singh? Not many. I think the majority simply thought he'd been dealt a bad hand.
I agree entirely with the criticisms of him but are we also simply being wise after the event?
This is absolutely how I see it. When MG dangled the ‘back to the football league’ carrot at the forum plenty got excited, understandably so after our recent heartache. Some were even willing to hear what RS had to say, me included. It didn’t take long, however, for the small print to emerge. At that point we made a brave but correct decision to say ‘no thanks’.liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.MKDarlo wrote:Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:
Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
I think (and I could be remembering wrong) that Houghton had already used the Arena as security against a loan from Sizer and Scott when he relinquished control to Singh, who simply defaulted on the loan repayments therefore handing the Arena over to S&S.eek wrote:
Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.
If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value.
MKDarlo wrote:Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:
Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
Spyman wrote:I think (and I could be remembering wrong) that Houghton had already used the Arena as security against a loan from Sizer and Scott when he relinquished control to Singh, who simply defaulted on the loan repayments therefore handing the Arena over to S&S.eek wrote:
Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.
If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value.
onewayup wrote:Lie after lie with raj strings ,I gave the golden share to my solicitors honest gov, lier, honest gov my solicitors have it to hand on honest gov,lier.Do not get into bed with this weasel.
The Council own Victoria Park, so even if it did all go Raj Singh, they could compulsory purchase it back for 1p or refuse planning permission. LOLeek wrote:Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.MKDarlo wrote:Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).
He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).
Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.
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Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:
Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.
If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value (Hello York).
Maybe won't be so keen to invest when he sees Poolies in the bottom 4 after tonights game.divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone
Could be worse if Barrow turn it on and beat Pools tonight (21st Mar)QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Maybe won't be so keen to invest when he sees Poolies in the bottom 4 after tonights game.divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone
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divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone
Just goes to show how brilliantly everyone has pulled together to get back to this level, great volunteers covering a multitude of tasks, DJ and JT controlling our finances and a management team we can trust, who engage with fans and will almost certainly use the boost the budget more wisely than Gray ever did.Would not swap places with Poolies or York to be honest.al_quaker wrote:divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone
Businessmen playing with the existence of a football club - I'm glad we're out of that loop (see York for another example).