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al_quaker wrote:In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...

Maurice_Peddelty wrote:

al_quaker wrote:In a similar way, I'm not sure Singh wanting Hartlepool's Trust to contribute 600k for a minority shareholding with no major say on the running of the club is a realistic aim either. And so who knows how Singh will act if this unrealistic aim isn't met...

I believe the Hartlepool Trust's target is only £250k (presumably the balance is intended to come from other business people, if they can be found) but I think that is still a tall order for the 'promise' of only a minority shareholding.

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Spyman wrote:

theoriginalfatcat wrote:

tezza wrote:

D_F_C wrote:I'm no fan of Singh. But strangely enough we won the trophy under him.

Despite him some would say.

Lets not forget his failure to push on with that under our belt, his stewardship led to the demise

As was said he is great when all going well, however when it gets tough ...that said HUFC is fairly close to becoming a care home

It never really did go well under Singh though did it. We had the good little run to win the Trophy and sold Burn but that was about it. The bottom line to me is that with him in charge DFC sleepwalked out of the league, then became the pawn in a power game which at every turn Singh ballsed things up.

Five relegations in two and a half years - nice

Yep, aside from the Trophy win, we had a calamitous season in League Two followed by a very underwhelming first season in the Conference followed by a terrible start to the following season. He mismanaged the club financially, making poor managerial appointments and allowing a revolving-door approach towards player recruitment.

Thing is though, how many people were saying this in May 2011, when we'd won the Trophy and finished 7th in the Conference?

And in May 2010, when we'd gone down, how many fans were blaming Singh? Not many. I think the majority simply thought he'd been dealt a bad hand.

I agree entirely with the criticisms of him but are we also simply being wise after the event?

liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).

He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).

Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.


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liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).

He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).

Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.


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al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.

MKDarlo wrote:

liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).

He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).

Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.


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Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.

Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:

al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.

Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................

eek wrote:
Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.

If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value.

MKDarlo wrote:

liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).

He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).

Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.


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Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.

Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:

al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.

Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................

Spyman wrote:

eek wrote:
Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.

If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value.

I think (and I could be remembering wrong) that Houghton had already used the Arena as security against a loan from Sizer and Scott when he relinquished control to Singh, who simply defaulted on the loan repayments therefore handing the Arena over to S&S.

onewayup wrote:Lie after lie with raj strings ,I gave the golden share to my solicitors honest gov, lier, honest gov my solicitors have it to hand on honest gov,lier.Do not get into bed with this weasel.

eek wrote:

MKDarlo wrote:

liddle_4_ever wrote:People want it all and they want it now, with minimal effort. Raj knows this. Once he knows what you want he’s able to manipulate you. He has the money to make your wishes come true, you know that and he knows that (but that doesn’t mean he’s going to spend it, irrespective of what you might think).

He knows he needs the fans onside and the most efficient way of achieving this is to get a prominent figure to recommend him. This happened with MG and is now happing with Stelling.
He knew that MG wanted money, and lots of it, to increase the playing budget so he could get another promotion under his belt and build his brand. This led MG astray from a professional decision and promote him to the fans (whilst also stabbing our volunteers and fans in the back).

Stelling wants his club to survive in the current league. Raj offers the only opportunity for that occurring. Forget the long term issues, he’s offering “help” today. That’s all that Stelling sees. He doesn’t see that it’s a massive gamble.


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Is, i believe. the correct answer. My view is that Hartlepooh will regret getting involved with Mr Singh. His track record as the owner of our club alone should ring alarm bells.

Also if we don't know the full story about our good friend Mr Raj Singh (& i am fairly certain I know enough of the story thanks) then please do come out and tell us what we don't know. Which part of:

al_quaker wrote: 2 administrations and all the reputation damage that caused with local businesses, the financial losses to local businesses, going from league 2 to the Northern League, playing under another name for 5 years, no ground, no players, and debt to ex players and staff which the fans paid off.

Do we not know about? Please feel free to fill in the gaps Mr Singh. We are all ears...........................

Aren't we missing out loosing the ground from beneath us due to taking a loan out with the ground as security and failing to repay loans or was that before Raj's time.

If not I would suggest whoever owns Hartlepool's ground pays a bit of attention - the land is usually the only thing a club has that has any value (Hello York).

divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:

divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone

Maybe won't be so keen to invest when he sees Poolies in the bottom 4 after tonights game.

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divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone

al_quaker wrote:

divas wrote:Goalposts being moved at the last minute - surely not. I’m sure Raj wouldn’t do anything like that to anyone

Businessmen playing with the existence of a football club - I'm glad we're out of that loop (see York for another example).