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Re: Rumour mill

Post by bga » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:32 pm

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HarrytheQuaker wrote:Darlington isn't in Country Durham though so can't compare them to us..
Spot on. Neither is Gateshead, neither is Artlepool. All Unitary Authority Areas. Some people love living in the past. Like that Boro lot saying they’re still in North Yorkshire...no you’re not, shut up. You live in a Unitary Authority as well. If past definitions are valid, then we all live in the Anglo Saxon Kingdom of Northumbria and should be worried about being paid a visit by that Utred fella. Just sayin.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Quakerz » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:32 pm

Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by The Golden Hairclip » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:49 pm

Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Re: Rumour mill

Post by loan_star » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:50 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
loan_star wrote:Well they did appear to want him to extend his contract at one point so when his contract came to an end his registration is released whether that’s his choice or the clubs.
Voila! I love being right. ;)
Of course they have to release his registration if he isn’t under contract anymore! It would be restraint of trade, the reason Bosman kicked up a fuss!

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by loan_star » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:53 pm

The Golden Hairclip wrote:
Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Just because politicians changed things in councils doesn’t mean boundary maps have been redrawn. Darlington is in County Durham, end of!

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Vodka_Vic » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:01 pm

I will ask a geography lecturer at work tomorrow.

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by bga » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:12 pm

loan_star wrote:
The Golden Hairclip wrote:
Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Just because politicians changed things in councils doesn’t mean boundary maps have been redrawn. Darlington is in County Durham, end of!
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by The Golden Hairclip » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:18 pm

loan_star wrote:
The Golden Hairclip wrote:
Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Just because politicians changed things in councils doesn’t mean boundary maps have been redrawn. Darlington is in County Durham, end of!
Politicians established County Durham in the first place. Oh, the irony. Therefore, we end up back at my original point about the Kingdom of Northumbria and whatever it was before then. I don’t see why people feel so passionate about County Durham anyway. I’d rather place my pride in Darlington.


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Re: Rumour mill

Post by The Golden Hairclip » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:23 pm

loan_star wrote:
The Golden Hairclip wrote:
Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Just because politicians changed things in councils doesn’t mean boundary maps have been redrawn. Darlington is in County Durham, end of!
What do you think the boundary maps define? They define administrative boundaries nothing more nothing less, which goes back to my point about Unitary Authorities.


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Re: Rumour mill

Post by loan_star » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:26 pm

And has the boundary map of Durham been redrawn? Answer is no!

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by tdk1 » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:27 pm

God I hate the close season

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Darlogramps » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:27 pm

loan_star wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
loan_star wrote:Well they did appear to want him to extend his contract at one point so when his contract came to an end his registration is released whether that’s his choice or the clubs.
Voila! I love being right. ;)
Of course they have to release his registration if he isn’t under contract anymore! It would be restraint of trade, the reason Bosman kicked up a fuss!
All of which means I'm right. He was released by Fulham who didn't want to keep him.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by The Golden Hairclip » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:35 pm

tdk1 wrote:God I hate the close season
Touché. I was just thinking the same. How low we’ll stoop just for some “interesting” debate in the absence of real substance. Roll on the next signing.


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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Darlogramps » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:39 pm

tdk1 wrote:God I hate the close season
Don't bring God into it. You'll set Quakerz off.

Actually we haven't had a religion-bashing thread in a while.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by quakerfan » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:42 pm

I thought this was a thread about football rumours but since people have decided that local government boundaries are more fun the really smart ones may like to figure this one out.
Following my years of work as a public servant I have a pension paid into my bank every month by the West Midland County Council , however the said Council (like Cleveland County Council) was abolished by Thatcher years ago . So I am getting a pension from an organisation that doesn't exist !

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by RonJeremy » Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:57 pm

Darlington is in County Durham, it is the largest settlement in County Durham as well while we go off topic. Saying it isn’t is like saying York isn’t in North Yorkshire because they also have a Unitary Authority. Also let’s hope this new GK is announced soon!

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by dfcdfcdfc » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:42 pm

Actually I think you'll find it isn't in North Yorkshire and never has been - it has always had a special status as the capital of Yorkshire and so couldn't be ascribed to any of the Ridings in case the others got upset/jealous! I kid you not - only in Yorkshire!! Otherwise how could Northallerton be the County town and administrative centre of N Yorkshire but have no jurisdiction over York.

This of course has led the denizens of York to be completely up themselves and think they are special. One of the reasons I haven't a lot of time for them, and they nicked The Locomotion.

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by jjljks » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:13 am

dfcdfcdfc wrote:Actually I think you'll find it isn't in North Yorkshire and never has been - it has always had a special status as the capital of Yorkshire and so couldn't be ascribed to any of the Ridings in case the others got upset/jealous! I kid you not - only in Yorkshire!! Otherwise how could Northallerton be the County town and administrative centre of N Yorkshire but have no jurisdiction over York.

This of course has led the denizens of York to be completely up themselves and think they are special. One of the reasons I haven't a lot of time for them, and they nicked The Locomotion.
Since when was Martin Gray known as The Locomotion? ;)

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Allan Quatermain » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:27 am

dfcdfcdfc wrote:...and they nicked The Locomotion.
This still irks me too
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by banktopp » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:02 am

The Golden Hairclip wrote:
loan_star wrote:
The Golden Hairclip wrote:
Quakerz wrote:Darlington may be a unitary authority but it is still in County Durham. Here endeth the lesson.
It’s not though. All counties are a derived from the two-tier structure of local government. The county system has gradually eroded since the government began awarding unitary status to towns and cities. Darlington becoming a unitary authority in 1997. As a consequence, plenty of ‘places’ don’t fall within a County - including Darlington. Therein ends the lesson ;)


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Just because politicians changed things in councils doesn’t mean boundary maps have been redrawn. Darlington is in County Durham, end of!
What do you think the boundary maps define? They define administrative boundaries nothing more nothing less, which goes back to my point about Unitary Authorities.


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Boundary maps are often defined by geographical features not Unitary Authorities, rivers being particularly popular in this respect. County Durham bordered by the Tyne and Derwent in the North, North Sea in the East, and Tees as a boundary in the south.
As far as I am aware Darlington is still north of the river Tees.

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:14 pm

dfcdfcdfc wrote:This of course has led the denizens of York to be completely up themselves and think they are special. One of the reasons I haven't a lot of time for them, and they nicked The Locomotion.
Yes, good point, they did nick The Locomotion - Twats!

Anyway, today I have just written a letter to someone in Darlington, County Durham.

To say Darlo is anywhere else is silly.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Magical Quakers » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:25 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
dfcdfcdfc wrote:This of course has led the denizens of York to be completely up themselves and think they are special. One of the reasons I haven't a lot of time for them, and they nicked The Locomotion.
Yes, good point, they did nick The Locomotion - Twats!

Anyway, today I have just written a letter to someone in Darlington, County Durham.

To say Darlo is anywhere else is silly.
Did you know that since 1996 the use of Counties in an address is not required, the Royal Mail completely ignore it, so you could write anything you wanted there and it wouldn't make any difference...

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:50 pm

Any chance we can call a halt to all this rubbish and get back to football.

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Post by banktopp » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:05 pm

dfcdfcdfc wrote:Actually I think you'll find it isn't in North Yorkshire and never has been - it has always had a special status as the capital of Yorkshire and so couldn't be ascribed to any of the Ridings in case the others got upset/jealous! I kid you not - only in Yorkshire!! Otherwise how could Northallerton be the County town and administrative centre of N Yorkshire but have no jurisdiction over York.

This of course has led the denizens of York to be completely up themselves and think they are special. One of the reasons I haven't a lot of time for them, and they nicked The Locomotion.
Sorry Quakerman it's the close season.

You are not alone in your opinions dfcdfcdfc, as long ago as 1870 Queen Victoria developed a strong dislike for York.
On her visits up to Scotland the Royal train would often stop in York. Victoria would go for a potter round the shops and if anything took her fancy she would be graciously given it and the shopkeeper would then be able to put " by Royal Appointment " on his shop. However on one trip a stroppy Yorkshire retailer demanded payment for an item which Victoria had taken a fancy to. This sorely vexed her majesty who vowed never to set foot in York again. Furthermore she gave instructions that in future the blinds on the royal train would be pulled down as it approached York and not raised again until the train reached fair Darlington.

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by H1987 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:06 pm

Darlington is in the historic county of Durham, although technically it is a unitary authority.

Boro is even weirder, because they had Cleveland, and definitely ceased to be Yorkshire. I've never quite got why some of them want to be thought of as North Yorkshire anyway. Seems to be the older lot who do it. It's always been the north east as far as i'm concerned, as are we, Pools, Newcastle and Sunderland, all the way up the the Scottish borders.

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Post by Magical Quakers » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:29 pm

I think the logical solution is for us all to agree that Darlington is definitely in County Durham, whilst it is also definitely not in County Durham.

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Post by jjljks » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:48 pm

Magical Quakers wrote:I think the logical solution is for us all to agree that Darlington is definitely in County Durham, whilst it is also definitely not in County Durham.
Surely we compromise on something everyone recognises but no one uses like Durham Tees Valley Airport - so County Darlington is my proposal. ;)

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Re: Rumour mill

Post by Makka Pakka » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:51 pm

Unitary authorities and counties are not the same thing. The authority covering most of County Durham happens to be called Durham County Council but that is just a name, it is not defining the boundaries of the geographical county.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by AndyPark » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:54 pm

Back on topic, I've heard we've enquired about Jacob Blyth.
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Re: Rumour mill

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:10 pm

AndyPark wrote:Back on topic, I've heard we've enquired about Jacob Blyth.
What's his background Andy and what position.

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