Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:49 am

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:And their chairman stated it was a significant outlay .....would not have thought £75k would be that significant by their standards so I wonder if we did receive a bumper fee.
If you look at transfer fees in the SPL outside of Celtic and Rangers they are not particularly large.

If you look on transfermarkt. St Mirren haven’t paid a transfer fee for a players since they paid £42,000 for Dougie Imrie in 2011/2012.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/st-mirren ... lpos=&w_s=

Look at Hearts / Hibs / Kilmarnock / Inverness etc. basically free transfers and very few signings that cost more than £100k.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by jjljks » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:00 am

So if they paid £75k, they must really want him.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:29 am

Indeed to be honest it’s a good move for us as well as him beyond the transfer fee. He should actually play as SPL is pretty much L2/NL level and then Celtic have a top end Championship side. That means Heaton can play, and if he does well it will spark interest of L1 / Championship sides.

There is definitely an infinitely higher chance of getting appearance and sell on add ons from this that if he’d gone to Boro / Everton being a relatively old player in their u23s side and ultimately for the fee paid quite dispensable if he doesn’t hit the ground running.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by al_quaker » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:46 am

Decent figure and a decent move for Heaton. One he deserves and if he does well will quickly attract interest from the Old Firm or Championship sides - I hope we've got plenty of clauses in there!

What with this, the other fees we've received, the Non League Challenge money and the Legends friendly to come, alongside apparently more sensible budget setting, we surely are in the healthiest financial position we have been in for a long long time.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Allan Quatermain » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:14 am

I bloody hate it that we're waiting for an announcement of a new centre back and that Joe Tait thread keeps getting bumped to the top of the page. No, just no...!
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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Comfortably_numb » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:49 am

lo36789 wrote:as SPL is pretty much L2/NL level and then Celtic have a top end Championship side. .
hilarious.

yes the standard isn't as good north of the border but you're way off with that.

replace L2 / NL with the english championship / top of league 1 and your closer.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by loan_star » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:53 am

Comfortably_numb wrote:
lo36789 wrote:as SPL is pretty much L2/NL level and then Celtic have a top end Championship side. .
hilarious.

yes the standard isn't as good north of the border but you're way off with that.

replace L2 / NL with the english championship / top of league 1 and your closer.
Agreed, Scottish football isnt as bad as people make out.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Gow9900 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:17 pm

Regarding the standard of football that Josh Heaton is going to be playing in.

You have to be realistic about Scottish football, the population of Scotland is 5.2 million, it's a small country. The fact that a league in a small country of five million people has Celtic getting 60,000, Rangers 50,000 and Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs getting 10-15,000 (more in the big games) is remarkable really.

When you compare this to other countries in Europe with comparable populations, Finland, Slovakia and Ireland, they don't have any clubs anywhere near the size of the clubs mentioned above. Comparing English football to Scottish Football like a lot of people do is not comparable.

Josh Heaton going from National League North to playing against big clubs in a top flight league is a fantastic move for him, and gives him a chance to progress and hopefully make us more money down the line. And fair play to him for going up there as he has allegedly been offered first team football, he could have stayed down here playing in an under 23 team on good money but he clearly wants to go and test himself.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Comfortably_numb » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:25 pm

absolutely. he'll be going up against the likes of Kyle Lafferty, Leigh Griffiths, Scott Sinclair, not to mention outright thugs up here like Scott Brown.

Huge learning curve, but fair play to the lad for setting himself the personal challenge. Hope it works out for him as it gives DFC another selling point when signing players.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:56 pm

Motherwell’s strikeforce is Ryan Bowman and Curtis Main. Bolstered by Johnson from Gateshead. That is players plucked from League Two and National League and of that standard.

As is called our the population of Scotland is smaller than London. I would assume the per population attendance at football is potentially higher in London though.

By the way not saying that Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers don’t have good players coz they do.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Comfortably_numb » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:11 pm

lo36789 wrote:Motherwell’s strikeforce is Ryan Bowman and Curtis Main. Bolstered by Johnson from Gateshead. That is players plucked from League Two and National League and of that standard.

As is called our the population of Scotland is smaller than London. I would assume the per population attendance at football is potentially higher in London though.

By the way not saying that Celtic, Aberdeen and Rangers don’t have good players coz they do.
True lo but I expect Motherwell to finish 7-9th in the SPL - also 3 players doesn’t make up the whole team.

Think the main difference between Scottish and English football is that there’s a large gulf between the top 6 sides and the rest. In England it’s not so much a gulf as more a steadier step down. There’s no equivalent clubs like Wolves, Sunderland, Charlton, Leeds kicking around the 2nd / 3rd tier of Scottish football.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Wijnhard's_Schlong » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:00 pm

Comfortably_numb wrote:
lo36789 wrote:as SPL is pretty much L2/NL level and then Celtic have a top end Championship side. .
hilarious.

yes the standard isn't as good north of the border but you're way off with that.

replace L2 / NL with the english championship / top of league 1 and your closer.
Utter nonsense. Scottish football is embarrassingly bad.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by bga » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:19 pm

lo36789 wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:And their chairman stated it was a significant outlay .....would not have thought £75k would be that significant by their standards so I wonder if we did receive a bumper fee.
If you look at transfer fees in the SPL outside of Celtic and Rangers they are not particularly large.

If you look on transfermarkt. St Mirren haven’t paid a transfer fee for a players since they paid £42,000 for Dougie Imrie in 2011/2012.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/st-mirren ... lpos=&w_s=

Look at Hearts / Hibs / Kilmarnock / Inverness etc. basically free transfers and very few signings that cost more than £100k.
However also see
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/st-mirr ... verein/465
which either means transfermarket is incorrect, (see 06/07 season £428K paid for Stephen O'Donnell) or their press release yesterday was inaccurate......or we did receive more than 428K for Heaton!

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Comfortably_numb » Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:11 am

Wijnhard's_Schlong wrote:
Comfortably_numb wrote:
lo36789 wrote:as SPL is pretty much L2/NL level and then Celtic have a top end Championship side. .
hilarious.

yes the standard isn't as good north of the border but you're way off with that.

replace L2 / NL with the english championship / top of league 1 and your closer.
Utter nonsense. Scottish football is embarrassingly bad.
Which SPL games do you go to watch WS?

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by MCFCDarlo3 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:32 pm

I think if Boyata can look good Heaton will have no problems!

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Comfortably_numb » Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:14 pm

Lol - Derek is error prone!

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by offside » Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:35 pm

On the bench for st mirren tonight in there Scottish league cup game

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Quaker85 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:48 pm

Just saw him on the tv celebrating the win.

All this guff about Scotland and small population. About the same as Croatia isn't it?

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:08 pm

Quaker85 wrote:Just saw him on the tv celebrating the win.

All this guff about Scotland and small population. About the same as Croatia isn't it?
Bigger. Is Croatia 4millon and Scotland about 6million.

The Croatian national league isn’t up to much though is it? Croatia do amazingly well to consistently produce good teams to be honest.

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Post by Comfortably_numb » Sat Jul 14, 2018 7:27 am

Not really about population size but I get the comparison.

All about how each country's governing bodies are set up.

The SFA are only arsed about the ugly sisters in Scotland. What they're letting The Rangers get away financially with is eye opening.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by H1987 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:03 pm

When we the last time you saw a domestic Croatian team do much in Europe?

They've come out with some exceptional players all at once, but none of them play in their domestic league.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:04 am

H1987 wrote:When we the last time you saw a domestic Croatian team do much in Europe?

They've come out with some exceptional players all at once, but none of them play in their domestic league.
That's the case with many of the smaller nations of Europe like Sweden and Iceland. The majority of these countries players tend to play in teams from other larger countries.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by 50 years » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:52 am

See St Mirren played Sunderland and were beaten 6 - 0, and did not bring Heaton off the subs bench?

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by real_darlo_85 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:00 pm

Has he made a competitive appearance yet? I know the transfer fee will have done us good and he's only 21/22 and there may be a reluctance to throw him into things but must be frustrating bench warming each week? Not our problem now and maybe won't totally be missed but I hope his career doesn't stagnate north of the border. :think:
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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by quakerste » Sun Aug 12, 2018 5:21 pm

Heaton has been on the bench every game, will have to bide his time until he gets an opportunity.

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Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:13 pm

quakerste wrote:Heaton has been on the bench every game, will have to bide his time until he gets an opportunity.
And rightly so

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Quaker85 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:56 am

quakerste wrote:Heaton has been on the bench every game, will have to bide his time until he gets an opportunity.
Not so. Josh has started two games v Queens Park and Spartans. Both were in the Betfred Cup.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:09 am

Has he come off the bench for either Scottish Premiership game yet? Hope he shows them how good he is and other larger clubs take an interest and put in a massive bid for him. Does anybody know what sort of sell on clause was put into his contract?

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by lo36789 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:37 am

As a CB it’s not one of those positions he will get a run out to give him a feel. It will be forced by injury or if they are winning by a solitary goal and want to defend it deep.

It seems in their win against Dundee it was a defensive midfielder which was brought on and they lost the other game.

He’ll get a chance once he proves himself better than the rest in training or if an injury forces a change...it would be unexpected for him to waltz into the starting line up given where he has come from.

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Re: Josh Heaton looks like he is on his way

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon Sep 03, 2018 11:31 pm

St. Mirren sack their manager, not sure what impact this will have on Josh's career with them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45397955

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