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 Post subject: Tom Elliott
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 12:45 pm 
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Was the trialist last night and according to the people who went he looked pretty good, wonder if TW signs him up for the season because at the moment we only have Hughes, Wheatley and Glover. (Yes I know there’s Syers but we don’t know how long he’s injured for)


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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:26 pm 
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Hopefully. He’s a good player with decent experience at this level. Still only young as well (22/23) and was part of the V9 Academy last year.


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His name was mentioned on another thread as a possible like for like replacement for Turnbull. Hopefully he impresses. Wonder what's happened to Caton? If he can be moved on, it frees up a wage.


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Sure I’d seen on Craig Stoddart’s Twitter that Caton could be gone sooner rather than later. Frees up a wage and we’d get a fee maybe as he’s contracted :D

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He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.


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He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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Vodka_Vic wrote:
He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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I don't think we're in the position to pay off his contract, we might as well give him another chance than waste money releasing him. It would be perfect for both parties if we mutually agreed to terminate his contract.


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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
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Darlo_CR wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
Vodka_Vic wrote:
He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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I don't think we're in the position to pay off his contract, we might as well give him another chance than waste money releasing him. It would be perfect for both parties if we mutually agreed to terminate his contract.

I’d rather pay him half his contract to bugger off than have him sit tight for the season.But hopefully he wants to play football more than he wants money and walks away.


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Darlo_CR wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
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He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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I don't think we're in the position to pay off his contract, we might as well give him another chance than waste money releasing him. It would be perfect for both parties if we mutually agreed to terminate his contract.
Not perfect for him if he doesn't have employment lined up. Sounds entirely one sided in fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
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Darlo_CR wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
Vodka_Vic wrote:
He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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I don't think we're in the position to pay off his contract, we might as well give him another chance than waste money releasing him. It would be perfect for both parties if we mutually agreed to terminate his contract.


From what I hear, the relationship between club and player is very sour. Doesn't sound much chance that he'd get another go


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Spyman wrote:
Darlo_CR wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
Vodka_Vic wrote:
He says this Andy "No news, but it won't be long before he's gone apparently".
Would be great to have one in one out.

Wonder if the club comes to a deal to pay off his contract Adam.

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I don't think we're in the position to pay off his contract, we might as well give him another chance than waste money releasing him. It would be perfect for both parties if we mutually agreed to terminate his contract.
Not perfect for him if he doesn't have employment lined up. Sounds entirely one sided in fact.

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This started as a post about Tom Elliott but seems to have drifted on to discussing James Caton.

The issues apply however to any player who has an unexpired fixed term contract with the club, but whose services are, to a greater or loesser extent, no longer required by the club.

It seems to me that would be unlikely in the extreme for James Caton to agree to any mutual termination of his contract unless part of that agreement includes paying him a lump sum to reflect the loss he will suffer as a result of that termination.

He would be either crazy or very badly advised to accept a mutual termination without a commensurate sum to compensate him unless the existence of the contract with DFC prevents him earning (pretty well) as much, or better elsewhere.

If he gets an offer of a contract on less money then an offer from DFC of a payment which makes up (or a bit more than makes up) the difference might be attractive to him.

Alternatively if he has other things to do with his time then sitting out this contract might well suit him perfectly.

In general terms (though obviously depending on the contract itself) it is pretty much up to him to take whatever option is best for him. All he has to do is fulfil whatever requirements DFC ask him to under the contract.

I do not know if it is part of players' contracts that they put some time in with local scjhools and in the community but he has done at least one school visit in the past (He received thanks for this on his Twiiter time line). If these visits are required under the contract then asking him to do more might be a way of obtaining some value from the period he has left with us.

He does seem to have plenty of work on outside the part time playing contract with DFC though.

According to his Twiiter account he has an unconditional offer to start a degree course in September

https://twitter.com/James_Caton94/statu ... 6682840066

(and good luck to him with that, looks like a very sensible move for someone wanting a career after playing)

and he also has his own clothing business (though I do not know how successful or otherwise that is)

https://twitter.com/James_Caton94?lang=en

As I see it anyone who can rely on income from a continuing contract whilst embarking on a degree course at university would be mad not to do so.

That we (DFC) have an agreement that we are not happy about is our problem. We entered into the agreement voluntarily and with our eyes open so we have to accept and abide by it.

It might therefore be sensible to get whatever value / benefit we can from requiring Mr. Caton to fulfil whatever duties within the contract which might be of benefit to the club until the contract runs its course.


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Anyone heard anymore regarding Elliott? Looked pretty decent in the legends game imo and would be a very useful player for us.


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I was told yesterday a deal has already been done. Just a case of it being announced now.

Not sure how credible it is though.

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ReeceStyche’sManbun wrote:
Anyone heard anymore regarding Elliott? Looked pretty decent in the legends game imo and would be a very useful player for us.


Commentators liked him too! Would be a useful addition if we could get him. :thumbup:


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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
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Think you’re right Andy, appears to have followed Darlo on Twitter, so it’s looking good for us!


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He actually started following us a couple of months ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
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I do find the Caton thing a bit odd. We don't exactly have a massive squad, so surely if the guy is under contract and being paid, then we should use him in some way.

I think he's clearly got some ability, and certain don't begrudge him a spot on the bench. I guess the issue is that he's probably being paid too much for that sort of role. Which is also limiting our ability to move him on.

He's certainly within his rights to get what he is worth anyway. It's not like a staggeringly rich premier league player digging in and doing nothing, while taking home a fortune. The guy has bills to pay like the rest of us.


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I do find the Caton thing a bit odd. We don't exactly have a massive squad, so surely if the guy is under contract and being paid, then we should use him in some way.

I think he's clearly got some ability, and certain don't begrudge him a spot on the bench. I guess the issue is that he's probably being paid too much for that sort of role. Which is also limiting our ability to move him on.


I think the issue is more A) his mythical ability is being overstated; B) whatever ability he has was rarely demonstrated so it's pointless persevering with him; and C) evidently TW doesn't see a future, be that because of ability, work ethic or attitude.

The guy is a dud and people need to stop clinging to the idea this supposed "ability" which he sort of demonstrated for a game and a half last season will come good. In 95% of games, he offered nothing.

The sooner he's out of the club, the better for both parties.

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I do find the Caton thing a bit odd. We don't exactly have a massive squad, so surely if the guy is under contract and being paid, then we should use him in some way.

I think he's clearly got some ability, and certain don't begrudge him a spot on the bench. I guess the issue is that he's probably being paid too much for that sort of role. Which is also limiting our ability to move him on.

He's certainly within his rights to get what he is worth anyway. It's not like a staggeringly rich premier league player digging in and doing nothing, while taking home a fortune. The guy has bills to pay like the rest of us.


Do you want Caton to stay all season and continue collecting the full amount?

Getting him back in the squad would make him more inclined to just see the season out, out of the squad I guess the belief he will cut some losses and make a move to where he is involved playing.

It's not the best options but that is the choice for Wright, trying and force Caton's hand and use the budget on someone who offers more in Wright's mind seems to be his decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Tom Elliott
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Elliott has signed http://darlingtonfootballclub.co.uk/qua ... m-elliott/

And Caton due to leave on loan too http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/l ... ref=twtrec

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Klopp's spending spree continues!

Elliott sounds like a good prospect - the fact he's been on trial with league clubs suggests we might have found another who could attract interest and a fee in the future if he does well here.

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I've only seen Elliott in the legends game, so it's almost impossible to draw any conclusions from that, but he looked a busy player who's style of play will compliment our other CMs well.

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If I was a betting man.... Warrington Town for Caton.


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Hopefully he can cover RB too. Pretty happy with that squad now.


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Vodka_Vic wrote:
If I was a betting man.... Warrington Town for Caton.


No chance of him going to York then? MG must have been very keen on him previously so the fee would be instead of the friendly we were promised :lol:

TW looks to have secured a very useful player in Elliott, capable of providing quality crosses and with good skills to create chances. Just what our forwards should thrive on! Welcome to the club, Tom.


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Hopefully he can cover RB too. Pretty happy with that squad now.


We only have 6 defenders, one being a 19 year old youth, one being permanently injured, and one often injured.

I'd say we need 2 defenders.

I know Elliot can cover right back, I know Ainge can drop into defence, but that's not ideal.

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Hopefully he can cover RB too. Pretty happy with that squad now.


We only have 6 defenders, one being a 19 year old youth, one being permanently injured, and one often injured.

I'd say we need 2 defenders.

I know Elliot can cover right back, I know Ainge can drop into defence, but that's not ideal.

We need to be realistic in terms of how far the budget can stretch though.

An additional defender or two would be ideal, but we are where we are. The already slashed budget is more than likely maxed-out. We have a solid squad number of 19, including Bancroft, Vaulks, Glover and Saunders.

There’ll be parts of the season where we’ll have square-pegs in round-holes, but it’ll be a stark contrast to the start of last season whereby we had 3/4 senior players sat in the stands or playing for the reserves picking up good money that we couldn’t afford.

If TW brings in another two that would take us up to a squad of 21, so pick your starting 11 plus subs and 5 are left out. I appreciate injuries and suspensions kick-in, but I do think that’s why we’ve brought in versatile players.


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I'm sure I read something that Hughes has played in central defence at some point too. Certainly looks to have the build.

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Hopefully he can cover RB too. Pretty happy with that squad now.


We only have 6 defenders, one being a 19 year old youth, one being permanently injured, and one often injured.

I'd say we need 2 defenders.

I know Elliot can cover right back, I know Ainge can drop into defence, but that's not ideal.

I think that we may start with 3 at the back and use the old 'if we let in 2 we'll score 3' attitude. Hope I'm wrong though.

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MikeinBlack2 wrote:
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divas wrote:
Hopefully he can cover RB too. Pretty happy with that squad now.


We only have 6 defenders, one being a 19 year old youth, one being permanently injured, and one often injured.

I'd say we need 2 defenders.

I know Elliot can cover right back, I know Ainge can drop into defence, but that's not ideal.

I think that we may start with 3 at the back and use the old 'if we let in 2 we'll score 3' attitude. Hope I'm wrong though.

Given in the majority of games in pre-season we have gone with 4 at the back, I’d be very surprised if that was the case.


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