Re: Darlington v AFC Telford
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:20 pm
Anyone else hear word that Harry Dunn was at the game yesterday running the rule over someone for the hangers?
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Well he was there, is he picking up some scouting work for Pools these days?LoidLucan wrote:Anyone else hear word that Harry Dunn was at the game yesterday running the rule over someone for the hangers?
How much of the debt which was run up under Singh did we end up paying off? That should be our starting price if Hartlepool come asking about any of our playersLoidLucan wrote:Anyone else hear word that Harry Dunn was at the game yesterday running the rule over someone for the hangers?
Why should we have got three points against Blyth? We drew 1-1. Regardless of chances etc, all that matters is we scored the same amount as Blyth, therefore we deserve only a point.D_F_C wrote:I think if you look at the league table and add the 2 points on that we should have got against Blyth then I would have thought that would have been a fair assessment on how we’ve been.
Perhaps another 2 points away to spenny would take us close to playoffs
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Thanks, but no need to rub in what I missed. Was thinking of asking Kev if he could do a fuller version of the 15mn highlights. Even the weather looked good in 2nd half. Well done all round! Now at with crossed fingers on a decent FA cup drawFans Lottery Admin wrote:Attendance was 1212jjljks wrote:Clean sheet, great win against #2 in league without several key players. Youngsters stepped up and Wheatley return.
Only bug was I missed the game.....
What was the attendance?
(you missed a treat!)
Not sure I understand why I shouldn’t be speculating about ‘what might have been’. I was simply giving an opinion about how I feel we’ve done so far this season based on performances and points. My conclusion is we weren’t too far off but if we’d got the 2 points that we definitely deserved against Blyth then we’d be about rightDarlogramps wrote:Why should we have got three points against Blyth? We drew 1-1. Regardless of chances etc, all that matters is we scored the same amount as Blyth, therefore we deserve only a point.D_F_C wrote:I think if you look at the league table and add the 2 points on that we should have got against Blyth then I would have thought that would have been a fair assessment on how we’ve been.
Perhaps another 2 points away to spenny would take us close to playoffs
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If you do that, then every other team will say something similar. I'm sure Ashton would say they should have beaten us a fortnight ago. It means nothing.
Let's not go down the route of dwelling on what should have happened - it's entirely arbitrary, pointless and self-indulgent.
The point is we didn't deserve the 2 extra points, yes we played much better than them but we drew, we didn't score enough to win so we didn't deserve it, in fact they defended so well that they deserved a point, same at Spenny, we conceded as many as we scored so regardless of how we played, we got what we deserved, they kept going and managed a late equaliser so got what they deserved.D_F_C wrote:Not sure I understand why I shouldn’t be speculating about ‘what might have been’. I was simply giving an opinion about how I feel we’ve done so far this season based on performances and points. My conclusion is we weren’t too far off but if we’d got the 2 points that we definitely deserved against Blyth then we’d be about rightDarlogramps wrote:Why should we have got three points against Blyth? We drew 1-1. Regardless of chances etc, all that matters is we scored the same amount as Blyth, therefore we deserve only a point.D_F_C wrote:I think if you look at the league table and add the 2 points on that we should have got against Blyth then I would have thought that would have been a fair assessment on how we’ve been.
Perhaps another 2 points away to spenny would take us close to playoffs
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If you do that, then every other team will say something similar. I'm sure Ashton would say they should have beaten us a fortnight ago. It means nothing.
Let's not go down the route of dwelling on what should have happened - it's entirely arbitrary, pointless and self-indulgent.
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The logic is poor and flawed. We didn't deserve two extra points against Blyth or Spennymoor for the reasons me and Shawry have already outlined.D_F_C wrote:Not sure I understand why I shouldn’t be speculating about ‘what might have been’. I was simply giving an opinion about how I feel we’ve done so far this season based on performances and points. My conclusion is we weren’t too far off but if we’d got the 2 points that we definitely deserved against Blyth then we’d be about right.Darlogramps wrote:Why should we have got three points against Blyth? We drew 1-1. Regardless of chances etc, all that matters is we scored the same amount as Blyth, therefore we deserve only a point.D_F_C wrote:I think if you look at the league table and add the 2 points on that we should have got against Blyth then I would have thought that would have been a fair assessment on how we’ve been.
Perhaps another 2 points away to spenny would take us close to playoffs
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If you do that, then every other team will say something similar. I'm sure Ashton would say they should have beaten us a fortnight ago. It means nothing.
Let's not go down the route of dwelling on what should have happened - it's entirely arbitrary, pointless and self-indulgent.
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Yes I noticed the faint praise when I saw this interview. I also note that he seemed to think that the first half was pretty even and that they had as many chances to score. I guess this is what a manager has to say to his supporters (most of whom would not have been at the game) to gee them up for the next game, which did seem to be a important focus of the interview. I also read their local newspaper report of the game, which rather glossed over the multiple chances that Darlo had in the first half, and gave the impression that Telford had been the major force in the game up until the first goal.PierremontQuaker03 wrote:Just watched the post match interview (see link below)with Gavin Cowan the Telford Manager.
Talk about a manager with blinkers on! Yes you have to be super confident and believe in yourself and your team but this guy it a bit over the top.
He says Darlington won because they were out fought, yes thats true, but we also played the better football, and to be fair the score should have been 5 as we hit the post and the bar.
He also says that, on paper, they have much better players than us - I can't say I recognised any of their players to be honest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f0WFp6789k
Might as well close this messageboard if no one is allowed to talk about what might have happened and what is deserved.Darlogramps wrote:The logic is poor and flawed. We didn't deserve two extra points against Blyth or Spennymoor for the reasons me and Shawry have already outlined.D_F_C wrote:Not sure I understand why I shouldn’t be speculating about ‘what might have been’. I was simply giving an opinion about how I feel we’ve done so far this season based on performances and points. My conclusion is we weren’t too far off but if we’d got the 2 points that we definitely deserved against Blyth then we’d be about right.Darlogramps wrote:Why should we have got three points against Blyth? We drew 1-1. Regardless of chances etc, all that matters is we scored the same amount as Blyth, therefore we deserve only a point.D_F_C wrote:I think if you look at the league table and add the 2 points on that we should have got against Blyth then I would have thought that would have been a fair assessment on how we’ve been.
Perhaps another 2 points away to spenny would take us close to playoffs
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If you do that, then every other team will say something similar. I'm sure Ashton would say they should have beaten us a fortnight ago. It means nothing.
Let's not go down the route of dwelling on what should have happened - it's entirely arbitrary, pointless and self-indulgent.
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And every other team will have similar results where they "feel" they should have won instead of drawing, or drawn instead of losing. It's part of the game.
That's why your logic is weak - it's arbitrary and driven by your own partisanship rather than anything rational. Ultimately, we are where we are and any speculation on what might have happened in the past is pointless.
Where've I said no one is allowed to talk about it? I'm saying the logic is flawed, not demanding silence. Don't make strawman argument.D_F_C wrote: Might as well close this messageboard if no one is allowed to talk about what might have happened and what is deserved.
I don't see any harm in saying that we deserved to win against Blyth. I don't remember any darlo fan (or Blyth fan) say that we didn't deserve to win (including Alun Armstrong).
What you're saying is rather literal rather than an opinion. A game finished 0-0 so that's what was deserved etc etc
But fans of every club will say things like that. It doesn't change a thing, nor does it prove we've had a decent start, like some on this thread are trying to claim. All that matters is goals scored. You can say it as much as you like if it keeps you happy. But the facts are we didn't win any of the games you listed. If you're repeatedly on the wrong side of fine margins (as you think we have been for nearly 50% of our games this season), well that indicates a deeper problem, more than simply falling just short.HarryCharltonsCat wrote:Had we beaten Blyth, Spennymoor, or Ashton, and drawn with Alfreton, no-one at those games would
have come away saying it was a travesty.
With respect, that's exactly what you are saying. You said we should have got more points from the Blyth and Spennymoor games. Therefore, if we should have had more points, we would therefore be higher up the table, one point off the play-offs.D_F_C wrote:No one is saying that the league table is wrong.
You're being a tad silly here, which is disappointing. Everyone should disagree with lots of other people - it doesn't mean we have to message every single person every time we think something differently. And in fairness, would you expect the assistant manager of Darlington to say anything else?D_F_C wrote:Alan White did the same in a recent interview, perhaps someone could message him to say his interview was pointless
Personally, I think the majority of performances haven't been too far away. Yes, we have been inconsistent, but with a host of new players, injuries and suspensions, could that not be expected? Neither am I saying we should be 4 points better off. I merely said we could have been, and no-one would have argued based on those 4 games. As for deluding myself about the past, i'm not as all consumed by Darlo that I need to rewrite history. I made a throwaway remark on a throwaway forum. I'm just not as worried by our results as some. Had all our performances been like Altrincham, I would be. They haven't, so i'm not. And if we had got those extra points, and were sat one point off the play offs, why would we have not deserved to be in that position? Why can you take performance into account, and not DFC? As for the CEO stating we should be challenging for play offs, rather like Alan White, he would say that wouldn't he?Darlogramps wrote:But fans of every club will say things like that. It doesn't change a thing, nor does it prove we've had a decent start, like some on this thread are trying to claim. All that matters is goals scored. You can say it as much as you like if it keeps you happy. But the facts are we didn't win any of the games you listed. If you're repeatedly on the wrong side of fine margins (as you think we have been for nearly 50% of our games this season), well that indicates a deeper problem, more than simply falling just short.HarryCharltonsCat wrote:Had we beaten Blyth, Spennymoor, or Ashton, and drawn with Alfreton, no-one at those games would
have come away saying it was a travesty.
Our start has been poor, whether you like that fact our not. By the admission of our own CEO, we should be competing for the play-offs, yet we're nearer the relegation zone after nine games. So trying to distort our position by saying "Well we should have had X number of extra points" is both meaningless and self-defeating.
Rather than deluding myself about the past, I'd much rather be looking ahead to the Southport game and hoping TW can maintain the positive performance shown against Telford.
But we didn't, so we're not. I've said repeatedly that hypotheticals are pointless.HarryCharltonsCat wrote: And if we had got those extra points, and were sat one point off the play offs, why would we have not deserved to be in that position?
You're asking a question but it makes no sense. You're going to have to try again.HarryCharltonsCat wrote: Why can you take performance into account, and not DFC?
Why would he tell fans we should be challenging for the play-offs if we're not capable of doing so? That's just setting himself and TW up for a fall. DJ is a smart man - if he says we should be competing for the play-offs, I expect he's got plenty of basis and confidence to say that.HarryCharltonsCat wrote: As for the CEO stating we should be challenging for play offs, rather like Alan White, he would say that wouldn't he?
Potentially, but that idea is highly implausible and simplistic. Yes DJ could exaggerate the extent of our competitiveness. But he'd be doing so at immense risk. Firstly it puts TW under pressure to deliver, as if he doesn't produce a play-off challenging side with a smaller budget, fans get on his back and stop turning up.And in turn it also damages DJ's reputation, as he'd also be responsible for the the perceived under-performance.HarryCharltonsCat wrote: Pre season, chairman has tickets to sell. You don't do that stating you expect to finish mid table.