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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:53 am
Opinions, I am interested in what others think in relation to where we go & what we do.
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And what do you think Andy?AndyPark wrote:Opinions, I am interested in what others think in relation to where we go & what we do.
Agree with most of the above but am not entirely convinced we have the right players. October is clearly going to be a crunch month.AndyPark wrote:I think we stick with TW & AW, it's obvious that we have the right players as shown against Brackley/Blyth & Telford. We can beat anyone on our day.
We've just been unfortunate in some games, I still think it will come good & we would be rash to get rid of them.
If they did go, who else comes in? Don't forget TW was 3rd choice when he was appointed. We even got turned down by Hyde's Assistant Manager...
So you'd not be happy with 3 wins from 5 and 9 points?Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
So 10 from 5 Tommy, or do one.
But every club in the division can say that. That's not a demonstration we have the right players, just that on occasion, when the stars align, we can play very well. But again, that happens at every club. Looking at individual games in isolation, particularly early in a season when every club's new signings are bedding in, isn't a great approach. We have to look at the wider trend, which at the moment is a downward spiral. More often this season though, we've under-performed and got poor results.AndyPark wrote:I think we stick with TW & AW, it's obvious that we have the right players as shown against Brackley/Blyth & Telford. We can beat anyone on our day.
No because it would mean that we'd actually been beaten by 2 pap teams. Again.Spyman wrote:So you'd not be happy with 3 wins from 5 and 9 points?Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
So 10 from 5 Tommy, or do one.
You're right in saying that it'll be an issue, but I really don't think it will be as major an issue as you're making out. We managed to afford compensation and half a dozen new players (including a five figure fee + decent wages for Styche) last season when our financial position was more precarious. If getting rid of TW was in the best interests of the club, you tend to find a way.loan_star wrote:Should create another poll for those who want out, where do we find the money to pay the management off, compensation for the incoming manager (unless you pick one whos been sacked again elsewhere) and then for the players the new manager will want to bring in.
1. Go back into debt
2. Look down the back of the sofa
3. Spend £1k on lottery tickets and hope for the best
4. Find a magic money tree
If we have the right players, who have shown they can mix it with the best, that's even more damning on the management in my opinion.Darlogramps wrote:But every club in the division can say that. That's not a demonstration we have the right players, just that on occasion, when the stars align, we can play very well. But again, that happens at every club. Looking at individual games in isolation, particularly early in a season when every club's new signings are bedding in, isn't a great approach. We have to look at the wider trend, which at the moment is a downward spiral. More often this season though, we've under-performed and got poor results.AndyPark wrote:I think we stick with TW & AW, it's obvious that we have the right players as shown against Brackley/Blyth & Telford. We can beat anyone on our day.
That's what we need to judge him on, not a handful of cherry-picked performances and results.
Gramps has gone all Brian Cox on us! There is nothing that he has said that you can't disagree with thoughdon'tbuythesun wrote:Gramps, did you really mean to say "stars"?!! What we need is consistency, a settled team playing for each other. Looking forward to FC United now and hoping the rest has done some good.
Good points well made Gramps. Relegation would be very hard to cone back from.Darlogramps wrote:You're right in saying that it'll be an issue, but I really don't think it will be as major an issue as you're making out. We managed to afford compensation and half a dozen new players (including a five figure fee + decent wages for Styche) last season when our financial position was more precarious. If getting rid of TW was in the best interests of the club, you tend to find a way.loan_star wrote:Should create another poll for those who want out, where do we find the money to pay the management off, compensation for the incoming manager (unless you pick one whos been sacked again elsewhere) and then for the players the new manager will want to bring in.
1. Go back into debt
2. Look down the back of the sofa
3. Spend £1k on lottery tickets and hope for the best
4. Find a magic money tree
So if TW is failing, it'd be just as much a risk to keep him, given that'll lead to dwindling attendances, lower revenues etc. Apathy is a bad enough problem for us already. A relegation battle would only entrench that further.
And something else to ponder - if we did go down, given there are now four divisions at Step 3, it's much harder to get back up (given you've got six promotion spots spread across four divisions). Only the champions at Step Three are guaranteed promotion. The NPL play-off winners have to then have an additional play-off against the Central League play-off winners.
I'm not calling for TW to go just yet. But if he continues failing (and his managerial record provides little suggestion he can change it) then not doing anything may be more disastrous.
Missed one off there.loan_star wrote:Should create another poll for those who want out, where do we find the money to pay the management off, compensation for the incoming manager (unless you pick one whos been sacked again elsewhere) and then for the players the new manager will want to bring in.
1. Go back into debt
2. Look down the back of the sofa
3. Spend £1k on lottery tickets and hope for the best
4. Find a magic money tree
People often call me a Cox. At least, I think that's what they're saying.....bga wrote:Gramps has gone all Brian Cox on us! There is nothing that he has said that you can't disagree with thoughdon'tbuythesun wrote:Gramps, did you really mean to say "stars"?!! What we need is consistency, a settled team playing for each other. Looking forward to FC United now and hoping the rest has done some good.
Suggest you take advantage of the Boots free hearing checks!Darlogramps wrote:People often call me a Cox. At least, I think that's what they're saying.....bga wrote:Gramps has gone all Brian Cox on us! There is nothing that he has said that you can't disagree with thoughdon'tbuythesun wrote:Gramps, did you really mean to say "stars"?!! What we need is consistency, a settled team playing for each other. Looking forward to FC United now and hoping the rest has done some good.
Possibly the funniest thing you've ever posted here, GrampsDarlogramps wrote:People often call me a Cox. At least, I think that's what they're saying.....bga wrote:Gramps has gone all Brian Cox on us! There is nothing that he has said that you can't disagree with thoughdon'tbuythesun wrote:Gramps, did you really mean to say "stars"?!! What we need is consistency, a settled team playing for each other. Looking forward to FC United now and hoping the rest has done some good.
We did get decent fees for Beck and Ferguson last season, and lost about 720 backroom staff. Maybe we could sell a couple of the current squad if there was a managerial change. I presume the Heaton money and MarthonBet money went on paying off debt.Darlogramps wrote: We managed to afford compensation and half a dozen new players (including a five figure fee + decent wages for Styche) last season when our financial position was more precarious. If getting rid of TW was in the best interests of the club, you tend to find a way.
Good point made about the fees coming in for Beck & Ferguson plus the backroom staff savings. These are income and savings we cant make this time round. Plus Gray walking away is different to sacking Wright and having to pay his contract up too, and White as well.al_quaker wrote:We did get decent fees for Beck and Ferguson last season, and lost about 720 backroom staff. Maybe we could sell a couple of the current squad if there was a managerial change. I presume the Heaton money and MarthonBet money went on paying off debt.Darlogramps wrote: We managed to afford compensation and half a dozen new players (including a five figure fee + decent wages for Styche) last season when our financial position was more precarious. If getting rid of TW was in the best interests of the club, you tend to find a way.
I don't dispute that we could find a way if it truly was the desire of those making the decisions, and of course falling crowds would make a difference to that desire.
No one is panicking. Using that word is a deliberate attempt to make out anyone who criticises Wright is doing so based on emotion, which is nonsense.loan_star wrote:Good point made about the fees coming in for Beck & Ferguson plus the backroom staff savings. These are income and savings we cant make this time round. Plus Gray walking away is different to sacking Wright and having to pay his contract up too, and White as well.al_quaker wrote:We did get decent fees for Beck and Ferguson last season, and lost about 720 backroom staff. Maybe we could sell a couple of the current squad if there was a managerial change. I presume the Heaton money and MarthonBet money went on paying off debt.Darlogramps wrote: We managed to afford compensation and half a dozen new players (including a five figure fee + decent wages for Styche) last season when our financial position was more precarious. If getting rid of TW was in the best interests of the club, you tend to find a way.
I don't dispute that we could find a way if it truly was the desire of those making the decisions, and of course falling crowds would make a difference to that desire.
As far as I'm concerned its in the best interests of the club to sit tight and not panic like a few fans seem to be doing.
Plenty panicking, especially on the Facebook group.Darlogramps wrote:
No one is panicking. Using that word is a deliberate attempt to make out anyone who criticises Wright is doing so based on emotion, which is nonsense.
It's simply a growing number of people have looked at the situation and are coming around to the conclusion that he's underperforming and not the man for us. And there's a lot of justification for that.
Nor would we necessarily have to reshape the squad in the way we had to last year, as darloreborn rightly points out. Selling the likes of Beck etc was essential as we would have imploded otherwise. There's no such pressure now and our finances are stronger.
Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalkloan_star wrote:Plenty panicking, especially on the Facebook group.Darlogramps wrote:
No one is panicking. Using that word is a deliberate attempt to make out anyone who criticises Wright is doing so based on emotion, which is nonsense.
It's simply a growing number of people have looked at the situation and are coming around to the conclusion that he's underperforming and not the man for us. And there's a lot of justification for that.
Nor would we necessarily have to reshape the squad in the way we had to last year, as darloreborn rightly points out. Selling the likes of Beck etc was essential as we would have imploded otherwise. There's no such pressure now and our finances are stronger.
One is particularly determined to see the back of Wright he even claims he didn't get Corby promoted even though their official site says otherwise as he achieved that in is first full season as sole manager.
Would all the players welcome a new manager? I could imagine a few of the midlands lads becoming disillusioned. Styche turned down the chance to sign for Gray but signs straight away when Wright comes asking.
Finances may be stronger than a year ago but that doesnt mean we are swimming around with funds to blow on a sacking and collateral costs incurred.