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Steve Watson - new York manager

Post by Darlogramps » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:04 pm

Bit of a shock that one. From chasing the play-offs in the National League to a mid-table club in the division below.

Same MO as Martin Gray as well, resigning from his employers to take up the position.

Wonder what the motivation is.....
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Post by D_F_C » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:12 pm

Is this another sly way of getting a manager?

So with both Gray and Watson, Yerk have clearly spoken to the manager beforehand, got them to quit, and then sweep them up within a few hours. A way of getting out of paying compensation?

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Post by Gow9900 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:17 pm

Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips and lack of any real communication coming from the club.

As for York, looks like they have been talking to a manager behind the back of their current employer again, and that they are going to be chucking another load of the chairman's money at yet another manager.

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Post by spen666 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:21 pm

Never saw that one coming.


Wonder why he has left York for another financial basket case club like York. He has Gateshead on edge of play off places for a place in the Football League.... at York he is trying to avoid falling into Northen Premier League.


As for York avoiding compensation. Watson can't unilaterally break his contract with Gateshead. If Gateshead do/did not accept his resignation, then Watson is contracted to Gateshead and can't take the role at York. Gateshead would be entitled to an injunction to stop Watson working for York and compensation from Watson for the breach of his contract

I suspect Gateshead have either agreed compensation with York or [like Darlington], were too quick to accept the resignation and as a result lost their chance of compensation. The moment the club accept a resignation the contract is ended and no compensation is payable.
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Re: Steve Watson - new York manager

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:09 pm

Leaving for a club which spends money like water, as soon as they leave Bootham crescent and the owner gets his money back I'm sure he will be off and the tap will be turned off. That job is like the poison chalice, surely at some point someone is going to turn things around.
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Post by spen666 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:24 pm

PierremontQuaker03 wrote:Leaving for a club which spends money like water, as soon as they leave Bootham crescent and the owner gets his money back I'm sure he will be off and the tap will be turned off. That job is like the poison chalice, surely at some point someone is going to turn things around.

I couldn't agree more.

I fully expect the current owner to be looking for an exit immediately new ground move has happened
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Re: Steve Watson - new York manager

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:48 pm

spen666 wrote:Never saw that one coming.


Wonder why he has left York for another financial basket case club like York. He has Gateshead on edge of play off places for a place in the Football League.... at York he is trying to avoid falling into Northen Premier League.


As for York avoiding compensation. Watson can't unilaterally break his contract with Gateshead. If Gateshead do/did not accept his resignation, then Watson is contracted to Gateshead and can't take the role at York. Gateshead would be entitled to an injunction to stop Watson working for York and compensation from Watson for the breach of his contract

I suspect Gateshead have either agreed compensation with York or [like Darlington], were too quick to accept the resignation and as a result lost their chance of compensation. The moment the club accept a resignation the contract is ended and no compensation is payable.
In regards to Darlo, David Johnson explained his reasons for accepting Gray's resignation. He said that he didn't want an unhappy, unmotivated Gray skulking around bringing everybody down, or to put it another way, he saw an opportunity to be rid of Gray without cost, and I reckon that if he'd placed Gray on so called "gardening leave" to thwart York's duplicity that could well of backfired on us.

York, it seems have used the same technique again - I suppose the truth will out eventually as to what's gone on however York have multiple problems, poor players and an unhappy fanbase and I wonder what any manager can do to move things on.
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Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:55 pm

Wonder if MG is interested in the Gateshead job.

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Post by Spyman » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:07 pm

Gow9900 wrote:Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips
Just sounds like they're trying to live within their means.
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Post by jjljks » Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:07 pm

Anyone know when the tickets for next pre-season friendly at their new ground between York and Gateshead go on-sale? I need to book my summer holidays and I don't want to miss that game like I missed ours :lol:

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Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:35 pm

Spyman wrote:
Gow9900 wrote:Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips
Just sounds like they're trying to live within their means.
They cut the budget in the summer when the old owners left and things were then looking bleak. If anyone remembers, the players were leaving left right and centre.

Then the new owner took over, and as far as I'm aware the budget was increased enough for them to remain full time and sign new players. So has the budget been cut again, or are we talking about the summer cuts?

Anyway, as far as living within their means goes - they must surely be still some distance from that. It is ot possible to have a full time squad on gates in the hundreds.

The reality is that living within their means for Gateshead would be part time football in this league or the one below.

Until they are doing that, then they are overspending.
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Re: Steve Watson - new York manager

Post by Spyman » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:43 pm

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Spyman wrote:
Gow9900 wrote:Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips
Just sounds like they're trying to live within their means.
They cut the budget in the summer when the old owners left and things were then looking bleak. If anyone remembers, the players were leaving left right and centre.

Then the new owner took over, and as far as I'm aware the budget was increased enough for them to remain full time and sign new players. So has the budget been cut again, or are we talking about the summer cuts?

Anyway, as far as living within their means goes - they must surely be still some distance from that. It is ot possible to have a full time squad on gates in the hundreds.

The reality is that living within their means for Gateshead would be part time football in this league or the one below.

Until they are doing that, then they are overspending.
Perhaps doing what they can to cut their cloth whilst still fulfilling contracts etc.

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Post by JE93 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:28 pm

Spyman wrote:
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Spyman wrote:
Gow9900 wrote:Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips
Just sounds like they're trying to live within their means.
They cut the budget in the summer when the old owners left and things were then looking bleak. If anyone remembers, the players were leaving left right and centre.

Then the new owner took over, and as far as I'm aware the budget was increased enough for them to remain full time and sign new players. So has the budget been cut again, or are we talking about the summer cuts?

Anyway, as far as living within their means goes - they must surely be still some distance from that. It is ot possible to have a full time squad on gates in the hundreds.

The reality is that living within their means for Gateshead would be part time football in this league or the one below.

Until they are doing that, then they are overspending.
Perhaps doing what they can to cut their cloth whilst still fulfilling contracts etc.

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They're currently under a transfer embargo as the last budget that they submitted to the league showed that spending on playing staff was about to exceed projected revenue for the season. I think this was in early December time. And so the league stepped in and placed them under an embargo.

This is in part due to the old owners setting the budget low,and the new owners then sanctioning transfer deals to improve the squad. However that's got to be worrying as a Gateshead fan. Especially based on the past of those involved around the new owner.

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Post by Vodka_Vic » Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:32 pm

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Wonder if MG is interested in the Gateshead job.

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Not enough money for him there Ron.

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Post by shildonlad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:14 pm

Watson can do no wrong at gateshead all the owners fault as a few are saying and while the embargo is a bummer watson has gone down in my estimations. Resigning so gateshead would get no compo (must be one of yorks employment conditions) to drop a division lower for a team thats a poison challis who could well give him his marching orders in a few months like so many before him. Gateshead were still in the play off mix and he knew the score when he stayed on this season
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Post by shildonlad » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:15 pm

Vodka_Vic wrote:
QUAKERMAN2 wrote:Wonder if MG is interested in the Gateshead job.

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Not enough money for him there Ron.
He will be shildon manager soon where he can enjoy the chance taking another team through the leagues
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Post by quakersfan » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:19 pm

Have to say didn’t expect that appointment

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Re: Steve Watson - new York manager

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:59 am

Gateshead are punching well above their weight and they're only go to go in one direction. Watson probably could see this and jumped before the decline started.

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Post by HarrytheQuaker » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:26 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:Gateshead are punching well above their weight and they're only go to go in one direction. Watson probably could see this and jumped before the decline started.
And why were they punching?? Maybe the manager and Micky Cummings got the best out of what they had???

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Post by shildonlad » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:29 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:Gateshead are punching well above their weight and they're only go to go in one direction. Watson probably could see this and jumped before the decline started.
The decline has long started at york who you could say are punching below there weight. A team with there fan base, cash and new stadium been built in the conference north, something going wrong
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Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:29 am

HarrytheQuaker wrote: And why were they punching?? Maybe the manager and Micky Cummings got the best out of what they had???
Because they get gates in the hundreds and are full time. This is not possible without outside financial support and lots of it (even to have a moderate full time budget).

Therefore, punching.
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Post by LoidLucan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:04 pm

A shitstorm will eventually engulf the Heed as it looks like their latest takeover was a disaster. There is a character called Joseph Cala who has been describing himself as "Chief Financial Advisor" to the owners.... look him up if you want a laugh. He was behind supposed takeovers at Portsmouth and Morecambe (he is supposed to have slept on the boardroom floor there in his pyjamas for a few nights) until they realised he had nowt. He was also described as the Man From Atlantis because of a crazy underwater casino venture he came up with which never saw the light of day. The whole thing at the Heed has the hallmarks of imploding. There are people there who you wouldn't want within a million miles of your club.

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Post by H1987 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:12 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Spyman wrote:
Gow9900 wrote:Reading what Gateshead fans are saying it seems that they have grave concerns with the new ownership of the club. Budgets cut massively, not paying for overnight stays even for London trips
Just sounds like they're trying to live within their means.
They cut the budget in the summer when the old owners left and things were then looking bleak. If anyone remembers, the players were leaving left right and centre.

Then the new owner took over, and as far as I'm aware the budget was increased enough for them to remain full time and sign new players. So has the budget been cut again, or are we talking about the summer cuts?

Anyway, as far as living within their means goes - they must surely be still some distance from that. It is ot possible to have a full time squad on gates in the hundreds.

The reality is that living within their means for Gateshead would be part time football in this league or the one below.

Until they are doing that, then they are overspending.
My understanding was that they were operating within that budget still, which is much reduced, and probably smaller than Spendy's, for example. Watson was doing a very good job on limited means. Armstrong was banging them in for them, but Boro recalled him to send him on loan higher up the leagues. Pears has, as expected, been excellent for them too by all accounts.

Theoretically clubs do survive on those crowds in that league. For a time at least. They do need bankrolling though, which Gateshead of course have been.

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Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:16 pm

Yes, part time clubs can survive in the national league.

I do not buy the line from our club that we *need* to be full time in that league, should we get promoted. Obviously it would be tough to compete, but it's not an absolute necessity to be full time. The more part time clubs that end up in the national league, the less essential it is to be full time.
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Post by H1987 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:19 pm

Agreed. It requires nouse, good recruitment skills, and utilising the local loans market as well. But those are all possible.

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Post by spen666 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:34 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:Yes, part time clubs can survive in the national league.

I do not buy the line from our club that we *need* to be full time in that league, should we get promoted. Obviously it would be tough to compete, but it's not an absolute necessity to be full time. The more part time clubs that end up in the national league, the less essential it is to be full time.

In its early days, all the sides in the National League ( Conference ) were all part time. I think the first full time side were Lincoln City after they were relegated the first time in 1987.

By then the Conference had been going for a number of years. The next full time side I suspect were Darlington in 1989

The biggest issue for part time sides is players getting any necessary time off work for the longer away trips
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Post by eddie-rowles » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:52 pm

Hope Mickey Cummins gets the managers job if he wants it. A very good coach and he would stabilize them,

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Post by Maurice_Peddelty » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:16 pm

eddie-rowles wrote:Hope Mickey Cummins gets the managers job if he wants it. A very good coach and he would stabilize them,
I may be wrong, but thought I'd read somewhere that Cummins went with Watson as his assistant.

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Post by AndyPark » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:23 pm

Maurice_Peddelty wrote:
eddie-rowles wrote:Hope Mickey Cummins gets the managers job if he wants it. A very good coach and he would stabilize them,
I may be wrong, but thought I'd read somewhere that Cummins went with Watson as his assistant.
Aye, Cummins has went to York with Watson.
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Post by shildonlad » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:13 pm

spen666 wrote:
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:Yes, part time clubs can survive in the national league.

I do not buy the line from our club that we *need* to be full time in that league, should we get promoted. Obviously it would be tough to compete, but it's not an absolute necessity to be full time. The more part time clubs that end up in the national league, the less essential it is to be full time.

In its early days, all the sides in the National League ( Conference ) were all part time. I think the first full time side were Lincoln City after they were relegated the first time in 1987.

By then the Conference had been going for a number of years. The next full time side I suspect were Darlington in 1989

The biggest issue for part time sides is players getting any necessary time off work for the longer away trips
And that is the reason why a north east conference side would suffer in the league if they were part time, theres a few long trips especially if torquay get promoted
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