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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by H1987 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:05 pm

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Literally spraying abuse at someone whose leg has just been badly broken, and knee damaged also. Really annoyed me watching that. He's not to know the extent of the injury, but there's no excuse for walking over, spitting abuse at someone who is prone on the floor injured. You'd have to be a bit dim, based on the contact involved, to think someone is feigning injury in that situation.

Didn't look like a thriller. Actually think Ainge probably should've done a lot better (arguably scored) with that header. Maybe the sun is in his eyes.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:37 pm

The Ref were appalling all game hope we don't get him again this season

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:53 pm

The last few moments of the match video summed the ref up when Saunders was pulled to the floor by the defender and he saw nothing wrong... how many times did that happen?

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by biccynana » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:29 pm

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Literally spraying abuse at someone whose leg has just been badly broken, and knee damaged also. Really annoyed me watching that. He's not to know the extent of the injury, but there's no excuse for walking over, spitting abuse at someone who is prone on the floor injured. You'd have to be a bit dim, based on the contact involved, to think someone is feigning injury in that situation.
I hate to see that. Happens a lot and there's no excuse. Been some famous instances over the years of course: Haaland/Keane (Roy took the adage that revenge is a dish best served cold to its fullest with that one ;) ); even way back Bob Stokoe tried to convince the ref that "he's codding" when Brian Clough suffered his career ending injury.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by jjljks » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:00 pm

LoidLucan wrote:The last few moments of the match video summed the ref up when Saunders was pulled to the floor by the defender and he saw nothing wrong... how many times did that happen?
Countless. What you may not have seen was the lino flagging the foul, ref not even looking, then when he realises he was wrong, just blows time & slinks off. Total waste of space that ref.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:08 pm

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TFDM wrote:Its the reaction of their player that does my head in. He's screaming blue murder after the coming together. Quite why I don't know. He was at it all afternoon.
Shame for Muggleton. He'd made a really good start with us and could definitely have seen a place with us for next season had he wanted it. Hopefully he's able to make a full and quick recovery. The reaction of their player is unacceptable. Young lad on loan from Bolton I'm sure he wouldn't like to be treated like that should he face such a serious injury.

As for the game. I'll take that as a decent point against a team who have playoffs for. Since late October time. Had they not had an awful start they would probably be fighting it out in and around 7th place. Our new found solidity in defence is the basis for building decent team for next season.

The Ainge upfront question is tough. If you break down his performance. Then on the plus side he genuinely does occupy defenders and he wins more headers than he loses. So in that sense I can see why he might just be out of confidence while he builds himself back to full match fitness.

On the other hand I really don't think the way we play suits a target man as much as when we played under Gray. The three in midfield with Nicholson in he hole means we've often got the ball centrally rather than outwide. So there aren't as many crosses being swung in for Ainge to feed off. Losing the Muggleton long throw is another blow to this.

In any case I think the decision will be made easier on Wednesday night where Ainge will move back to CB in place of Galbraith and one of Saunders or Kneeshaw I'll come in to partner Thompson. Unless Vaulks is available for us now he's on dual registration and so can take Galbraiths place. In which case I think the young lad deserves a chance to show what he can do ahead of next season.
God, people are fucking obsessed with putting Ainge at the back at any opportunity. He's never going to get into goal scoring form if he can never string together more than a couple of matches together up front.

If we stay 5-3-2 then we can put Burn in for Galbraith and basically tell him this is his opportunity to stake a claim.

OR, simply revert to 4-4-2 and put Thompson wide right, Kneeshaw up front with Ainge. Thompson is better as a wide man than he is when he's shoehorned into centre forward.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:20 pm

m62exile wrote:Unfortunately, we’re in a position where our attacking threat looks consistently greater when our first choice forward isn’t playing up front.

I don’t know if it’s fitness, confidence, style, tactics, partnerships, injury or whatever - but it is a statement of fact from what we’ve all seen this season.

I do think Tommy seems pretty determined to persevere with it so I expect we may have to endure it a while longer yet.


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Tommy is doing the right thing by persevering with Ainge up front - if you can even call it persevering, as he's only played about the last 3 matches up front.

I also disagree that our attacking threat is less with Ainge up front. Having Kneeshaw/Thompson and Saunders up front for me isn't exactly inspiring - as Saunders doesn't score many, Kneeshaw still has to prove what he can do, and Thompson isn't really a centre forward.

So yes, I think we should "endure" Ainge up front for a little while longer - and maybe we should try offering support instead of constantly writing him off as disappointing or not up to it based on a handful of appearances.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by m62exile » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:46 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
m62exile wrote:Unfortunately, we’re in a position where our attacking threat looks consistently greater when our first choice forward isn’t playing up front.

I don’t know if it’s fitness, confidence, style, tactics, partnerships, injury or whatever - but it is a statement of fact from what we’ve all seen this season.

I do think Tommy seems pretty determined to persevere with it so I expect we may have to endure it a while longer yet.


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Tommy is doing the right thing by persevering with Ainge up front - if you can even call it persevering, as he's only played about the last 3 matches up front.

I also disagree that our attacking threat is less with Ainge up front. Having Kneeshaw/Thompson and Saunders up front for me isn't exactly inspiring - as Saunders doesn't score many, Kneeshaw still has to prove what he can do, and Thompson isn't really a centre forward.

So yes, I think we should "endure" Ainge up front for a little while longer - and maybe we should try offering support instead of constantly writing him off as disappointing or not up to it based on a handful of appearances.
He’s played up front plenty of times this season not just the last 3 games.

I’m frankly not bothered where he plays the fella seeing as we’re looking at finishing relatively safe. I can understand why Tommy wants to stick with it as he’s paid for a 30 goal a season centre forward and is hoping he can get one out of him.

I’m still unconvinced as a centre forward based on what I’ve watched so far. I’d be delighted to be proved wrong and if so you can come back and remind me. No problem whatsoever.

I just haven’t seen any evidence, yet.

What is it that you’ve seen that I’ve not that persuades you he’s going to be a success up front?



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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:15 pm

Well first of all I'm not claiming that he is going to be a success, maybe he won't be - I just think he needs more than a couple of games here and a couple of games there.

I think he is very good in the air and for some reason every man and his dog seems to ignore this - but yes he could do with a couple of goals, and quickly.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by 50 years » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:22 pm

For me Elliott has been one of our best players in the last few games so would not swap him.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by lo36789 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:04 pm

biccynana wrote:I hate to see that. Happens a lot and there's no excuse.
It’s less about feigning more about thinking that the reaction it to try and influence the referee in terms of a card.

It’s not right and looks bad when there are genuine injuries but if I am honest I’d probably say there are 1 bad injury to every 10 attempts to exaggerate to try and get another player dismissed.

Unfortunately football players as a collective are pretty competitive and will often do whatever it takes to get an edge. I would interpret it as being malicious in anyway and in most cases like this the other player is often the first to contact injured player and apologise / wish him a speedy recovery.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by eddie-rowles » Tue Feb 19, 2019 8:46 am

OnTheTerraces wrote:i think our side is too lightweight in the middle.

Next season im hoping we go for something a little more physical in the middle.

Will be a key year for Tommy next year ... his signings havent worked out as planned this year.

Ainge - knackered - immobile and unfit
Hughes - cant play in midfield where he was signed to play - immobile and very very unfit
Burn - useless and seems uninterested
Henshall- seems uninterested

Most of these issues could have been spotted prior to signing as these arent football issues.

We need to get tougher on these unfit players. I wonder who scouts them?
Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by AndyPark » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:57 am

eddie-rowles wrote:
OnTheTerraces wrote:i think our side is too lightweight in the middle.

Next season im hoping we go for something a little more physical in the middle.

Will be a key year for Tommy next year ... his signings havent worked out as planned this year.

Ainge - knackered - immobile and unfit
Hughes - cant play in midfield where he was signed to play - immobile and very very unfit
Burn - useless and seems uninterested
Henshall- seems uninterested

Most of these issues could have been spotted prior to signing as these arent football issues.

We need to get tougher on these unfit players. I wonder who scouts them?
Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together
There is no doubt at all that TW will be in charge next season.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by darlo2001uk » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:06 pm

eddie-rowles wrote:
OnTheTerraces wrote:i think our side is too lightweight in the middle.

Next season im hoping we go for something a little more physical in the middle.

Will be a key year for Tommy next year ... his signings havent worked out as planned this year.

Ainge - knackered - immobile and unfit
Hughes - cant play in midfield where he was signed to play - immobile and very very unfit
Burn - useless and seems uninterested
Henshall- seems uninterested

Most of these issues could have been spotted prior to signing as these arent football issues.

We need to get tougher on these unfit players. I wonder who scouts them?
Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together
James Coppinger? Which world are you living in?

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by al_quaker » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:18 pm

I think the only way Wright wouldn't be here next season is if we go down. That looks, thankfully, increasingly unlikely, so I'm expecting him here. I still have some very big doubts about Wright, but hopefully he's learned lessons from this season and we can go into next season with a much clearer idea of how we are trying to play (something I still don't think has been fully settled on)

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by D_F_C » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:32 pm

disagree with Q on the Ainge thing.

I think when Galbraith went off Ainge looked very assured at CB and I think that's where he needs to play. Another reason being that Burn looks very disinterested. Heard that Tommy and Alan have tried different things to get him motivated and it's just not working.

Also it would be a chance to get either Saunders or Kneeshaw playing. It means that Thompson and Nicholson can work with someone with pace which I think they enjoy. At times against Blyth they were looking to play someone in on various occasions but kept having to check as Ainge can't offer that running option

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by divas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:45 pm

Out best performances this season have generally come with a small but mobile front 2/3.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by loan_star » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:50 pm

eddie-rowles wrote: Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together
What makes you think Coppinger will get us excited?
It makes me think, had we changed manager after the Nuneaton farce, would the results we have had since be seen as a justification for the change for those that wanted Wright out?

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by divas » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:53 pm

With a reduced budget to work to next season I think there’s less risk in keeping Tommy than bringing someone else in who would want to make a total overhaul. Hopefully he himself doesn’t try and make too many changes in the summer and we can actually get off to a not terrible start

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by biccynana » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:54 pm

loan_star wrote:What makes you think Coppinger will get us excited?
Was at Darlo for a year as a trainee. Made zero appearances. He's Darlo through and through ;)
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by OnTheTerraces » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:19 pm

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by H1987 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:35 pm

To be honest, as things stand, i'd probably extend TW's contract by a year.

But, lets see how we finish the season before we make a decision on that.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by OnTheTerraces » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:40 pm

How long is Tommy's contract for?

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:19 pm

OnTheTerraces wrote:How long is Tommy's contract for?
rolling isnt it? wouldnt think the club would risk or be able to afford to offer long contracts.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by onewayup » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:00 pm

Are some of you for real, TW has set up the academy and is working hard to move the club forward he loves the club and wants the best for the club, He will prove to the non believers that we have a young ambitious manager who is learning all the time, I personally think he will be worth sticking with. To many managers on uncovered site all knowing better than the main man. My opinion is TW is right man at this time.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by onewayup » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:00 pm

Are some of you for real, TW has set up the academy and is working hard to move the club forward he loves the club and wants the best for the club, He will prove to the non believers that we have a young ambitious manager who is learning all the time, I personally think he will be worth sticking with. To many managers on uncovered site all knowing better than the main man. My opinion is TW is right man at this time.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by eddie-rowles » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:12 am

onewayup wrote:Are some of you for real, TW has set up the academy and is working hard to move the club forward he loves the club and wants the best for the club, He will prove to the non believers that we have a young ambitious manager who is learning all the time, I personally think he will be worth sticking with. To many managers on uncovered site all knowing better than the main man. My opinion is TW is right man at this time.
I agree no doubt he wants the best for the club and is working hard, but as a leader you have to lead your team, he has clearly demonstrated he is poor in enforcing training in coaching, he admits the players do not do what they are instructed, he blamed MG and players for hoof it football then resorts to those tactics to Ainge and Styche for several games, crowds are down due to woeful performances. I hope you are right about TW but at the moment he has to do a lot more to convince me!

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by Darlogramps » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:41 am

AndyPark wrote:
eddie-rowles wrote:
OnTheTerraces wrote:i think our side is too lightweight in the middle.

Next season im hoping we go for something a little more physical in the middle.

Will be a key year for Tommy next year ... his signings havent worked out as planned this year.

Ainge - knackered - immobile and unfit
Hughes - cant play in midfield where he was signed to play - immobile and very very unfit
Burn - useless and seems uninterested
Henshall- seems uninterested

Most of these issues could have been spotted prior to signing as these arent football issues.

We need to get tougher on these unfit players. I wonder who scouts them?
Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together
There is no doubt at all that TW will be in charge next season.
Wishful thinking here Andy. There's plenty of doubt about TW's position, certainly enough to say it's not a slam dunk he'll be in charge come August.

He had an awful first 3 to 4 months of the season, results picked up in mid-December, and we've gone back to inconsistency in recent weeks (see the excellent Blyth win followed by a dire draw v Southport).

My view hasn't changed. Between now and the end of the season, he's auditioning to prove why he should be in charge come August. We'll have a much better idea in the next six weeks or so.
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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by Quakerlad » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 am

Definitely for real! Never doubted his love and passion for the club and a nice guy as well it seems.
However, a few weeks ago I would say 90% of the fan base had had enough of him based on putting us in a relegation battle, many poor signings, lack of tactical nous, terrible football being played with little passion etc etc.
Yes, we have had a few better results but still a very very poor season overall and personally, he hasn’t done enough to change my view on his management ability.

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Re: Darlington V Southport match thread

Post by AndyPark » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:08 am

Darlogramps wrote:
AndyPark wrote:
eddie-rowles wrote:
OnTheTerraces wrote:i think our side is too lightweight in the middle.

Next season im hoping we go for something a little more physical in the middle.

Will be a key year for Tommy next year ... his signings havent worked out as planned this year.

Ainge - knackered - immobile and unfit
Hughes - cant play in midfield where he was signed to play - immobile and very very unfit
Burn - useless and seems uninterested
Henshall- seems uninterested

Most of these issues could have been spotted prior to signing as these arent football issues.

We need to get tougher on these unfit players. I wonder who scouts them?
Oh please no! Don't spoil it for me already stating TW and next season together let me hope and dream he moves on and we can bring in a new exciting coach or player manager (James Coppinger) that can excite the crowd, excite those players around them and most importantly excite new sponsors to get this club moving forward. TW and excite do not go together
There is no doubt at all that TW will be in charge next season.
Wishful thinking here Andy. There's plenty of doubt about TW's position, certainly enough to say it's not a slam dunk he'll be in charge come August.

He had an awful first 3 to 4 months of the season, results picked up in mid-December, and we've gone back to inconsistency in recent weeks (see the excellent Blyth win followed by a dire draw v Southport).

My view hasn't changed. Between now and the end of the season, he's auditioning to prove why he should be in charge come August. We'll have a much better idea in the next six weeks or so.
No wishful thinking here gramps, I can guarantee that TW will be in charge of Darlington FC next season.
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