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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by loan_star » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:04 pm

darlo reborn wrote:But with the right signings you can always do better than your budget allows we just have not made the correct signings
Its impossible to think a manager can always make the right signings. Even Gray signed his fair share of flops who were on good money.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by H1987 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:39 pm

Tell you what, i'm seething watching these highlights.

Goal 1 is completely preventable. Completely lapse defending. Terrible marking, no one on the line.

Goal 2, what is the keeper doing!? Not only the terrible clearance which leaves us under the cosh, but then also he should probably save the scuffed clearance from Galbraith. I know he's wrong footed, but it's *so* slow, he should react to that. That was all compounded by the absolute panic stations in the defence.

Goal 3, that's not a penalty, and that rule needs clarifying. Annoying.

Goal 4, garbage defending again.

The thing is, going forwards, we could've had more. The one that wouldn't quite fall for Kneeshaw, the clearance off the line (i'm pretty convinced the defender didn't know much about, he gets quite lucky) and the Thommo shot from range... horrible defending, and some of that comes from a non existent midfield. Henshall is weak as piss, and we need a ball winning midfielder this summer.

Some of the attacking players we have look good, but they need to be supplemented by some defensive organisation and a battler or two.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by MKDarlo » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:34 pm

H1987 wrote:Tell you what, i'm seething watching these highlights.

Goal 1 is completely preventable. Completely lapse defending. Terrible marking, no one on the line.

Goal 2, what is the keeper doing!? Not only the terrible clearance which leaves us under the cosh, but then also he should probably save the scuffed clearance from Galbraith. I know he's wrong footed, but it's *so* slow, he should react to that. That was all compounded by the absolute panic stations in the defence.

Goal 3, that's not a penalty, and that rule needs clarifying. Annoying.

Goal 4, garbage defending again.

The thing is, going forwards, we could've had more. The one that wouldn't quite fall for Kneeshaw, the clearance off the line (i'm pretty convinced the defender didn't know much about, he gets quite lucky) and the Thommo shot from range... horrible defending, and some of that comes from a non existent midfield. Henshall is weak as piss, and we need a ball winning midfielder this summer.

Some of the attacking players we have look good, but they need to be supplemented by some defensive organisation and a battler or two.

try watching it live: I was incandescent with rage. All of the goals were incredibly soft. In midfield we were so light and powder puff it was embarrassing.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by Wiseacre » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:56 pm

I've just read Wright's comments in the Echo - he should be ashamed trying to place responsibility on the players like that. The same lads played well in the first half but he lets them down with bad tactics and lousy training and then it's their fault for 'being obsessed with tippy tappy football'. I came round to wanting him to succeed but he seems to start each game without any thread of continuity or a safe feeling for the players to shine in. Only bad managers criticize their players publicly like that. Shocking, heaven knows what they think of him.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by divas » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:03 pm

Wiseacre wrote:I've just read Wright's comments in the Echo - he should be ashamed trying to place responsibility on the players like that. The same lads played well in the first half but he lets them down with bad tactics and lousy training and then it's their fault for 'being obsessed with tippy tappy football'. I came round to wanting him to succeed but he seems to start each game without any thread of continuity or a safe feeling for the players to shine in. Only bad managers criticize their players publicly like that. Shocking, heaven knows what they think of him.
I’m sorry but it was the players to blame. He signed them so has to take the rap for that but the individual errors and zero work rate in the second half weren’t down to tactics but a basic lack of application. Once Palmer went off we had nothing in midfield, Glover is nowhere near ready to play at this level and the less said about Henshall the better. Throwing games away from 2 goals up is a weak mindset. The lot needs clearing out in the summer. The manager and anyone out of contract

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by LoidLucan » Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:52 pm

The words of a Nuneaton fan after we appointed TW in October, 2017, when the Midlands club were hovering just above the relegation places:

"Thanks very much for paying us compo for a manager that the majority of our fans wanted sacking! Enjoy! I’m being honest when I say that’s helped us and him part ways. He has had some great moments here, when he first came in, he picked us up, galvanised us, and saved us from a relegation fight while giving us our best Trophy run in a long time.

BUT,

His man management has been called into serious question a number of times. He’s failed miserably to build a team, and defensively, I’ve never seen such a shambolic back four in nearly 30 years watching the club. The rumours that he had lost part of the dressing room were pretty loud, and our form had been erratic at best, disgraceful at worse.

FWIW, I think he’ll give you a lift, like he did us, and I’m glad we had you last week, not next, but long term, I can’t see him ever being the man to navigate a whole season successfully. He had a similar experience at Corby to us, where it started well & ended otherwise."


He wasn't lying. A lot of Nuneaton fans had been complaining that their side wasn't organised enough, not solid enough, not tough enough and too often weak and fragile.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by loan_star » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 pm

divas wrote:
Wiseacre wrote:I've just read Wright's comments in the Echo - he should be ashamed trying to place responsibility on the players like that. The same lads played well in the first half but he lets them down with bad tactics and lousy training and then it's their fault for 'being obsessed with tippy tappy football'. I came round to wanting him to succeed but he seems to start each game without any thread of continuity or a safe feeling for the players to shine in. Only bad managers criticize their players publicly like that. Shocking, heaven knows what they think of him.
I’m sorry but it was the players to blame. He signed them so has to take the rap for that but the individual errors and zero work rate in the second half weren’t down to tactics but a basic lack of application. Once Palmer went off we had nothing in midfield, Glover is nowhere near ready to play at this level and the less said about Henshall the better. Throwing games away from 2 goals up is a weak mindset. The lot needs clearing out in the summer. The manager and anyone out of contract
Exactly right Divas. Its so easy to blame a manager and his tactics but when the team give the ball away too easily and don't put the effort in to win it back then you know you are up against it. This forces the defence to sit deep and it invites the opposition to push further up the pitch.
A manager can scream and shout all he wants from the sidelines but if the players don't put the effort in then it makes no difference.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by AndyPark » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:18 pm

Wish I didn’t bloody bother with the Telford/Hereford games. Waste of money watching a load of shite.
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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:32 pm

AndyPark wrote:Wish I didn’t bloody bother with the Telford/Hereford games. Waste of money watching a load of shite.
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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by Quaker85 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:38 am

TO post in the Echo is interesting. He’s picked up on our defensive lack of shape and has singled out Trotman for leaving Elliot to cover right back. I see this week in week out and never hear TW screaming at Trots to get back in position. The lack of direction from the coaching staff is clear for all to see.




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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by eddie-rowles » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:30 am

Quaker85 wrote:TO post in the Echo is interesting. He’s picked up on our defensive lack of shape and has singled out Trotman for leaving Elliot to cover right back. I see this week in week out and never hear TW screaming at Trots to get back in position. The lack of direction from the coaching staff is clear for all to see.
and of course Spennymoor have really gone to pot since their defensive coach AW left !


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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by JE93 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:30 am

TW could never scream and shout at his beautiful little butterflies. Then they might not all want to be friends with him. But yes as you say just another piece of evidence adding to the list of tactical ineptitude we can attribute to our manager.

So frustrating because i think we have he makings of a good team.

---------------------------- xxxxxxxxx -----------------------------

----------- xxxxxxx ----- Ainge ------ Galbraith ------------

Trotman ------------------------------------------------ xxxxxxx

-------------- Wheatley --------------- xxx xxx------------------
----------------------------- Nicholson -----------------------------

-------------- Kneeshaw -------- xxxxxxxx -------------------

Elliott and Wheatley would be pretty interchangeable as would Thompson and Kneeshaw.

Cant decide on the goal keeping scenario. Not impressed with Maddison so far. But neither Hemmings or Turner who have been on loan are of the obvious quality of Pears to say the loan market is the way to go.

Add into that a decent CB on loan. (Smith has been outstanding, but on that basis I have no hope of getting him back next season). A left back again most likely on loan. A ball winning midfielder is the key purchase. Someone who offers us a bit of steal give the defence protection and will give as good as they get. I don't think you'd get this kind of player on loan from one of the big NE clubs. If I was an academy manager I'd think before sending players to the CN to be kicked apart. And of course a CF. We could maybe do with Someone in the mould of Purwal again. Tall and rangy but certainly wasn't a target man in the traditional sense.

Bench of Youth Keeper, Vaulks, Wheatley/Elliott, Thompson/Kneeshaw, xxxxxxxx.

Then attempt to move on:
Henshall
Burn
Glover (not because he's a bad player, but because I really don't see him getting the game time to develop)

Think there would be enough in that team to compete in this league. Operative word being compete. I don't think we have to be in and around the playoffs to maintain interest (although it helps). Last year we finished 13th and 9 or so points away from the playoffs and that was enough to get all the fans excited enough to raise £86k to support the team this year. If you're competitive and 'close enough' I think you'll maintain a decent level of interest in the club.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by lo36789 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:45 am

JE93 wrote:TW could never scream and shout at his beautiful little butterflies. Then they might not all want to be friends with him. But yes as you say just another piece of evidence adding to the list of tactical ineptitude we can attribute to our manager.
Ok there has been some actually decent observations in this thread. Tommy not shout and scream is not one of those things it doesn't make a manager a good manager and is not a sign of a bad manager.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by Lallacab » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:03 am

lo36789 wrote:
JE93 wrote:TW could never scream and shout at his beautiful little butterflies. Then they might not all want to be friends with him. But yes as you say just another piece of evidence adding to the list of tactical ineptitude we can attribute to our manager.
Ok there has been some actually decent observations in this thread. Tommy not shout and scream is not one of those things it doesn't make a manager a good manager and is not a sign of a bad manager.
The above are 2 great posts - perhaps TWs level is that of an academy manger ???

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by JE93 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:15 am

lo36789 wrote:
JE93 wrote:TW could never scream and shout at his beautiful little butterflies. Then they might not all want to be friends with him. But yes as you say just another piece of evidence adding to the list of tactical ineptitude we can attribute to our manager.
Ok there has been some actually decent observations in this thread. Tommy not shout and scream is not one of those things it doesn't make a manager a good manager and is not a sign of a bad manager.
Tbh Lo from every time I've seen him he fails to influence the game. Where the likes of Gannon, Cowan, Parkinson, Ainsley on the sidelines this season, they are constantly instructing players. When to get tight, when to drop, when to push out. And so they should, they are an extra pair of eyes watching the game. They should be relaying the information constantly to players. All of the above mentioned were doing so while they were winning and losing. Tommy just stands there, claps every so often, and let's the game play out come what may.

He has regularly come out and said players aren't following instruction. That tells me he has either signed players who aren't good enough. Or he consistently fails to get his point across.

He's a PR nightmare, comes out and says players don't come to training,, then back tracks. Says players don't follow instructions, but also says they're a fragile group that you can't get into. And then most recently says a day off is a reward for a good performance, put in a bad performance and gives them the day off anyway.

I.may have oversimplified the point but the principle is he fails to influence the team on a regular basis.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by AndyPark » Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:42 am

HarrytheQuaker wrote:
AndyPark wrote:Wish I didn’t bloody bother with the Telford/Hereford games. Waste of money watching a load of shite.
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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by Beano » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:44 am

I may be shot down in flames here but could Burn do a job as a ball winning midfielder?

He certainly isn’t a centre half, but clearly had something about him as a youth, albeit as a right back I think.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by divas » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:04 pm

Beano wrote:I may be shot down in flames here but could Burn do a job as a ball winning midfielder?

He certainly isn’t a centre half, but clearly had something about him as a youth, albeit as a right back I think.
The thought has certainly crossed my mind. He clearly can’t head a ball and is a liability at times in defence but he must surely have something to have been in the pro game and with Boro and Sunderland. I’d definitely try him in there although given his recent absence from the squad I doubt it’ll happen. Sounds from the statement this morning that there’ll be a fresh face or two for Saturday

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by Vodka_Vic » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:32 pm

It worked with Liam Hughes. Why not, although I get the feeling that he is surplus to requirements and has not put in the effort in training, like Caton was perceived not to. Interesting now that during TWs reign we have had 3 persona non gratis: Caton, Collins and now Burn who seemed to disappear.

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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by D_F_C » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:34 pm

TW would be crucified for playing Burn there. They would say, with the benefit of hindsight...’why play him when we have Elliott, Wheatley etc


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Re: Hereford v Darlington Match Thread

Post by loan_star » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:42 pm

Vodka_Vic wrote:It worked with Liam Hughes. Why not, although I get the feeling that he is surplus to requirements and has not put in the effort in training, like Caton was perceived not to. Interesting now that during TWs reign we have had 3 persona non gratis: Caton, Collins and now Burn who seemed to disappear.
There were quite a few of them under Gray as well, players signed, used sparingly then dumped as soon as they could be.
Plus Collins and Caton were both Gray signings and its not uncommon that a previous managers players are frozen out if they aren't wanted.

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