Darlo Uncovered

Another manager sacked David flitcroft. Mansfield Town.
Because they lost the playoffs. Strange as they were in the top 4 all season. Owners are a funny breed.

onewayup wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 am

Another manager sacked David flitcroft. Mansfield Town.
Because they lost the playoffs. Strange as they were in the top 4 all season. Owners are a funny breed.

What's the betting they don't finish as high next season?

Chris Hughton at Brighton is another, got them into Premier league, kept them there again and got to semi finals of FA Cup and still gets sacked. and Brighton want to replace him with a manager who achieved 10th place in the Championship

That's so unfair on Flitcroft having done such a great job over the season. I'm sure it'll put off many people from applying for the vacant managers job, as the chances of your job lasting more than a season are minimal. Where is loyalty to managers these days?

Shitcroft did have the biggest budget in the league and had upset fans, media and star players and when that happens it only ends one way.

Footballs gone mad could have at least given him another season.

spen666 wrote:

onewayup wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 am

Another manager sacked David flitcroft. Mansfield Town.
Because they lost the playoffs. Strange as they were in the top 4 all season. Owners are a funny breed.

What's the betting they don't finish as high next season?

Chris Hughton at Brighton is another, got them into Premier league, kept them there again and got to semi finals of FA Cup and still gets sacked. and Brighton want to replace him with a manager who achieved 10th place in the Championship

Exactly. What exactly did brighton expect to achive, a top half finish! And folk say mike ashley is a bad chairman at least he does not go through a load of managers

shildonlad wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 11:22 am

spen666 wrote:

onewayup wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 am

Another manager sacked David flitcroft. Mansfield Town.
Because they lost the playoffs. Strange as they were in the top 4 all season. Owners are a funny breed.

What's the betting they don't finish as high next season?

Chris Hughton at Brighton is another, got them into Premier league, kept them there again and got to semi finals of FA Cup and still gets sacked. and Brighton want to replace him with a manager who achieved 10th place in the Championship

Exactly. What exactly did brighton expect to achive, a top half finish! And folk say mike ashley is a bad chairman at least he does not go through a load of managers

The FCB did sack Chris Hughton when Newcastle were top half of Premiership if I recall correctly

Seen a lot of "What did Brighton expect to achieve?".

As if the best they should expect is finishing just above relegation, which is a little patronising.

I think Brighton fans are perfectly entitled to want better than two league wins in 2019, three goals in 10 matches and to finish four points worse off from last season despite decent investment in the summer.

Hughton's recruitment in the summer was awful, he played a negative brand of football and without Murray, Brighton would have been as bad as Huddersfield.

Definitely a club that needs a refresh.

shildonlad wrote:

spen666 wrote:

onewayup wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 9:25 am

Another manager sacked David flitcroft. Mansfield Town.
Because they lost the playoffs. Strange as they were in the top 4 all season. Owners are a funny breed.

What's the betting they don't finish as high next season?

Chris Hughton at Brighton is another, got them into Premier league, kept them there again and got to semi finals of FA Cup and still gets sacked. and Brighton want to replace him with a manager who achieved 10th place in the Championship

Exactly. What exactly did brighton expect to achive, a top half finish! And folk say mike ashley is a bad chairman at least he does not go through a load of managers

I remember Fat Mike sacking Hughton on the back of a 5-1 Win against Sunderland back in about 2010

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I would agree about Brighton although I got to like Chris H. when he was at Newcastle and didn't deserve the sack there - to be replaced by awful Alan Pardew - but take out the cup run and it's been a bad season for them. The climate down in Notts. is quite bad because Flitcroft has done so well with the Stag's - I think there might be some echoes here of Gray's last days at Quakers but Mansfield will miss him. It's all in the air at Notts County so maybe Flitcroft - or MG? - will turn up there. Or here.

I would agree with Gramps about Brighton although I got to like Chris H. when he was at Newcastle and didn't deserve the sack there - to be replaced by awful Alan Pardew - but take out the cup run and it's been a bad season for them. The climate down in Notts. is quite bad because Flitcroft has done so well with the Stag's - I think there might be some echoes here of Gray's last days at Quakers but Mansfield will miss him. It's all in the air at Notts County so maybe Flitcroft - or MG? - will turn up there. Or here.

Darlogramps wrote:Seen a lot of "What did Brighton expect to achieve?".

As if the best they should expect is finishing just above relegation, which is a little patronising.

I think Brighton fans are perfectly entitled to want better than two league wins in 2019, three goals in 10 matches and to finish four points worse off from last season despite decent investment in the summer.

Hughton's recruitment in the summer was awful, he played a negative brand of football and without Murray, Brighton would have been as bad as Huddersfield.

Definitely a club that needs a refresh.

This. Hughton had seemingly taken them as far as he could. I don't think anyone doubts he did well to get them up and establish them in the Premiership, but he spent something like £70million last summer and their form since Xmas has been abysmal, nearly costing them their place in the Premiership.

He seems to have left on good terms with the fans which is rare these days so probably for the best. I doubt he'll struggle to find a new job at a similar sized club.

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Even mike ashley himself admitted sacking houghton was a mistake and who knows he may return there.

Certainly won't get the money he got at Brighton though.

Straight swap with Swansea's manager wouldn't surprise me, or possibly Celtic.

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shildonlad wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Even mike ashley himself admitted sacking houghton was a mistake and who knows he may return there.

Hughton has more integrity than to go back to work for Ashley.
Seems like a long time since Darlo played Mansfield, does anyone remember that last game

jjljks wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2019 6:49 am

shildonlad wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Even mike ashley himself admitted sacking houghton was a mistake and who knows he may return there.

Hughton has more integrity than to go back to work for Ashley.
Seems like a long time since Darlo played Mansfield, does anyone remember that last game

Unfortunately so. 5-2 defeat away at Field Mill with a team half full of kids at the end of Feb 2012. Credit to the Mansfield fans mind they stayed behind at the end to clap our lads off the field for the performance they gave.

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jjljks wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2019 6:49 am

shildonlad wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 3:44 pm

Even mike ashley himself admitted sacking houghton was a mistake and who knows he may return there.

Hughton has more integrity than to go back to work for Ashley.
Seems like a long time since Darlo played Mansfield, does anyone remember that last game

Unfortunately so. 5-2 defeat away at Field Mill with a team half full of kids at the end of Feb 2012. Credit to the Mansfield fans mind they stayed behind at the end to clap our lads off the field for the performance they gave.

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Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am

Seen a lot of "What did Brighton expect to achieve?".

As if the best they should expect is finishing just above relegation, which is a little patronising.

I think Brighton fans are perfectly entitled to want better than two league wins in 2019, three goals in 10 matches and to finish four points worse off from last season despite decent investment in the summer.

Hughton's recruitment in the summer was awful, he played a negative brand of football and without Murray, Brighton would have been as bad as Huddersfield.

Definitely a club that needs a refresh.

proof as ever will be in the pudding. Folk often point at Charlton when they got rid of Curbishley. Ipswich similarly got rid of McCarthy who took them to 12th in the championship but ended the season bottom of the table and will be playing Lincoln and Bury next year instead of Leeds, WBA etc

depends if fans want eye bleeding football in a higher division (with all the higher income it brings) - or better football to watch in a lower league - all while hoping a punt on a new manager transforms a team.

Maybe club chairman are still looking at clubs like Southampton who (seemingly crazily) sacked Nigel Adkins.....but brought in Pochettino and we all know how that turned out.

For every Pochettino there's an Ole Gunnar.

Comfortably_numb wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2019 11:38 am

Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am

Seen a lot of "What did Brighton expect to achieve?".

As if the best they should expect is finishing just above relegation, which is a little patronising.

I think Brighton fans are perfectly entitled to want better than two league wins in 2019, three goals in 10 matches and to finish four points worse off from last season despite decent investment in the summer.

Hughton's recruitment in the summer was awful, he played a negative brand of football and without Murray, Brighton would have been as bad as Huddersfield.

Definitely a club that needs a refresh.

proof as ever will be in the pudding. Folk often point at Charlton when they got rid of Curbishley. Ipswich similarly got rid of McCarthy who took them to 12th in the championship but ended the season bottom of the table and will be playing Lincoln and Bury next year instead of Leeds, WBA etc

depends if fans want eye bleeding football in a higher division (with all the higher income it brings) - or better football to watch in a lower league - all while hoping a punt on a new manager transforms a team.

Maybe club chairman are still looking at clubs like Southampton who (seemingly crazily) sacked Nigel Adkins.....but brought in Pochettino and we all know how that turned out.

Got to say I've never been the biggest football purist. As a fan I want to watch effective football being played effectively. Give me a manger who can execute a game plan any day of the week. Whether that be tikki takka football or whether it be get the ball wide and cross in the box. Bring in the players who can do the job and drill them so perform the way you want. Thought this watching the Mansfield v Newport League Two playoff semi-final earlier in the week. Mansfield trying to play fast, passing football, on the counter attack and Newport getting the ball forward early, winning lots of set pieces and getting the ball in the box wherever possible. It was a great battle of a game, one of the best 0-0's I've ever watched and it was because both teams were trying to execute quite opposite game plans.

Under Gray we weren't a 'great footballing side' but we were a great football team. We were a bit old school 4-4-2, CB's who headed everything, Couple of tricky wingers to help you get up the pitch. CM's who weren't afraid to put a tackle in, and a big striker +1 who we could aim the ball at from wide areas. We got the ball in the box quick and often. From the wide players we won plenty of free kicks and corners, every time we won one we put the ball into the box put them under pressure. If it was headed away we recycled it to a wide area quickly and got it back in the box. The Salford managers at the time even came out and said in our Evo-stik winning season we were the best team they had ever seen at recycling the ball and getting it back in the box. We weren't the prettiest team to watch but we executed our game plan so effectively.

Under Tommy we certainly tried to play a lot more 'football', but i often found us to be a bit ponderous with our passing. We would move the ball slowly from side to side, keeping possession well, but not really creating anything. We didn't put many crosses into the box when Ainge was upfront for us and i was never particularly sure what the actual tactical game plan was.

As CN says lots have teams have gone the wrong way having moved on a manager how provided a somewhat, old school, brand of football, but knew the players they needed to make it work and maintained their league position. In favour of a so called 'footballing manager' who at that level might not have the resources they need to play the football they want.

Will be interesting what school of thought our next manager comes from.

Comfortably_numb wrote:

Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am

Seen a lot of "What did Brighton expect to achieve?".

As if the best they should expect is finishing just above relegation, which is a little patronising.

I think Brighton fans are perfectly entitled to want better than two league wins in 2019, three goals in 10 matches and to finish four points worse off from last season despite decent investment in the summer.

Hughton's recruitment in the summer was awful, he played a negative brand of football and without Murray, Brighton would have been as bad as Huddersfield.

Definitely a club that needs a refresh.

proof as ever will be in the pudding. Folk often point at Charlton when they got rid of Curbishley. Ipswich similarly got rid of McCarthy who took them to 12th in the championship but ended the season bottom of the table and will be playing Lincoln and Bury next year instead of Leeds, WBA etc

depends if fans want eye bleeding football in a higher division (with all the higher income it brings) - or better football to watch in a lower league - all while hoping a punt on a new manager transforms a team.

Maybe club chairman are still looking at clubs like Southampton who (seemingly crazily) sacked Nigel Adkins.....but brought in Pochettino and we all know how that turned out.

Absolutely, nobody can see into the future and there's always an element of risk with replacing a manager.

But with Hughton, I can perfectly understand why Brighton have opted for a change, and all the faux-outrage we've seen is a little patronising and over-the-top.

It's also a false equivalence to say playing "good" football means you have to accept losing more matches, or "eye-bleeding" football in a higher division. I don't think it's necessarily the case.

Brighton also have an extremely shrewd chairman who has made his money largely from gambling, both wining big on poker and then through a successful online betting business.

He's unlikely to have just made this decision on a whim and I'm certain will have weighed his options very carefully, probably taken a lot of evidence in to account and I'd imagine already knew who he wanted to replace Hughton and has an evidence base to suggest they're a better bet than Hughton next season.

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HarryCharltonsCat wrote: ↑

Thu May 16, 2019 12:18 pm

For every Pochettino there's an Ole Gunnar.

For every Martin Gray there's a Tommy Wright.

some similarities with Wright and Hughton. Both nice blokes. but the evidence is there in terms of what they can do with a football team. in both cases, you could've extended their tenures and you'd have had another 12 months of the same product on the pitch.

we believe a different manager with the same budget could / should do better.

I wonder what Brighton's chairman's requirements are for next season - will it be more wins or more attractive football....suspect this will become clearer when their new manager is appointed.