Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Darlofan97 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:16 am

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
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A reasonable fee is fuck all, for a 33 year old who is out of contract in 5 months.

If Shields won't extend his loan, or let us sign him for nowt - then they can go and fuck themselves and we'll go back in for him at the end of the season.

Obviously I'd like us to sign Connell, but to be fair Elliott was doing OK anyway.
Elliott was not really doing great prior to Connell’s arrival and everyone has now seen the impact which a good goalkeeper can have at this level.

Alun had a great one at Blyth in Jameson and he won them points across the season (similar to how Connell has done for us).

If we can’t secure LC permanently then we should be looking elsewhere for another goalkeeper.
Have I missed something? Was Elliott that much of a liability we have to replace him, or a la Jameson are we overplaying his faults?
I agree with Harry, Elliott didn't do too badly and now he suddenly is the Anti-Keeper?
Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by poppyfield » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:49 am

Unfortunately Darlo is one of those clubs who just loves lambasting its own players when they are out of favour, yes I prefer Connell, but it doesn't mean all of sudden Elliott is not good enough. :x
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by loan_star » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:52 am

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Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
We all want the club to finish as high as possible but we also have to be sensible with what we spend money on too.
Elliott is not a bad keeper but Connell is better on what we have seen. However the deal has to be right for the club and we cant afford to be held to ransom and made to spend money that really should be used elsewhere.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:56 am

poppyfield wrote:Unfortunately Darlo is one of those clubs who just loves lambasting its own players when they are out of favour, yes I prefer Connell, but it doesn't mean all of sudden Elliott is not good enough. :x
Exactly...

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 12:00 pm

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Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
As it happens...our stated aim for this season was a mid table improvement on last season - which 13th/14th would be if we achieve that, and a cup run - which we've done.

So yes, technically I should and would be happy to finish 13/14th.

But how did you derive Elliott = 13th/14th, what fact based formula have you used to come up with that guarantee.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Darlogramps » Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:50 pm

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Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
We all want the club to finish as high as possible but we also have to be sensible with what we spend money on too.
Elliott is not a bad keeper but Connell is better on what we have seen. However the deal has to be right for the club and we cant afford to be held to ransom and made to spend money that really should be used elsewhere.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Darlofan97 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 3:52 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
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Darlofan97 wrote:
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Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
We all want the club to finish as high as possible but we also have to be sensible with what we spend money on too.
Elliott is not a bad keeper but Connell is better on what we have seen. However the deal has to be right for the club and we cant afford to be held to ransom and made to spend money that really should be used elsewhere.
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Which is why I said we should look at another alternative should we not secure Connell permanently or back on loan.

Elliott isn’t a bad goalkeeper, he’s average and was doing average prior to Connell coming in.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by loan_star » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:09 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:
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Which is why I said we should look at another alternative should we not secure Connell permanently or back on loan.

Elliott isn’t a bad goalkeeper, he’s average and was doing average prior to Connell coming in.
Is he that bad that we need to rush out and replace him when Connell will be available for nothing soon?
I dont think so personally, he's a step up on Maddison too.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:09 pm

If we don't manage to land him, some you win, some you lose. Just thinking this as BPA were humped 4-0 by bottom club Kettering. A fair few people, including me, were disappointed when Heaton left, as he wasn't prepared to bide his time. What an upgrade Alex Storey has been. Would love it if we signed him permanently. Sort of player that we could make some money on in the future, but for the time being I view him as an integral part of our great run.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:07 pm

AA confirmed in his post match interview that Shields are asking silly money for Liam, and that they're playing hardball about extending the loan too, and that they're denying Liam his dream to play at a league football club. We might even end up playing a small fee to extend the loan. In his own words 'I hope someone can see sense'. Not great treatment, it sounds.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by LoidLucan » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:18 pm

Shields might also be feeling a bit sensitive at the moment as their 10-point lead at the top has been cut to just 2. Some of their fans are daring to criticise now and lamenting the loss of popular heroes like Finnigan, Foley and Cogdon with performances suffering and a long ball game creeping in coupled with an inability to defend at corners. Connell is still popular among their fans and they may also fear a backlash if he departs for nowt on top of all this.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Darlogramps » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:29 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 2:50 pm
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Darlofan97 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:16 am
Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
We all want the club to finish as high as possible but we also have to be sensible with what we spend money on too.
Elliott is not a bad keeper but Connell is better on what we have seen. However the deal has to be right for the club and we cant afford to be held to ransom and made to spend money that really should be used elsewhere.
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Which is why I said we should look at another alternative should we not secure Connell permanently or back on loan.

Elliott isn’t a bad goalkeeper, he’s average and was doing average prior to Connell coming in.
I disagree. I didn’t think he was doing anything wrong at all. Nothing you wouldn’t expect from a tier six goalkeeper.

Connell is better in my opinion and my preference would be to sign him, but not at the risk of overspending. I certainly don’t think we should be crowdfunding him because of the precedent it would set.

And I think you’re being unfair in saying going with Elliot = 13th/14th. We’ve still got improvements to make in attack and in defence too.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:33 pm

I heard they want 10k for him

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Quaker85 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:37 pm

They want a share of our FA Cup money by all accounts greedy f*****s


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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by m62exile » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:38 pm

Well all I’d say is that defensively we have gone from looking really shaky and vulnerable to extremely solid and controlled.

That could be the effect of Connell replacing Elliott, the emergence of Storey, or the return of Wheatley to add protection but it has made us look a totally different proposition.

I’d argue that within the first half an hour at Leamington when Connell made his debut we’ve looked much more solid, personally.


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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:46 pm

Quaker85 wrote:They want a share of our FA Cup money by all accounts greedy f*****s


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If that's the case just who the hell do they think they are.Getting too big for their boots, terrible way to treat a lad who has helped them get this far and who they obviously feel has no future with them.Fenton and Picton should take a long hard look at themselves considering their chairman is pretty wealthy and what difference would a transfer fee be to them.Shocking from these 2 if true.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Gow9900 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:01 pm

If that’s the case then we don’t have the piss taken out of us and wait until May/June when he is out of contract and get him for nothing.

As much as he’s been immense for us and we all want him to stay, paying a large fee now when we can wait and get him for free in 6 months wouldn’t make great business sense. Yeah we could get through the next round etc etc but being held to ransom for a player they don’t want and were happy to send out on loan as he isn’t part of their plans, by a club that was playing in front of 100 people in Peterlee in Northern League Division 2 not that long ago isn’t something we should be doing.

Let him sit on their bench rest of the season with them paying him a wage for doing nothing then lose him for free in the summer.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by LoidLucan » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:12 pm

Actually he probably wouldn't even be on the bench as they sometimes don't use a sub keeper or use their other young keeper.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:16 pm

Shields have got to be very careful about getting ahead of themselves, in the same way that Hereford have. Hereford sacked Peter Beadle after 3 promotions in 3 seasons because they had new investors who decided that Beadle wasn't a big enough name for them, but in doing so they ripped the team spirit out of the club. A season and a half on and they're no further forward. They've spent masses, got dumped out of the cup by Tamworth who simply wanted it more, and their fans are not happy at seeing a team of players who wanted to play for the club replaced by pea-hearted mercenaries.

As Lucan said, there are a few rumblings of discontent from Shields fans, who,feel that some of their players essential for team spirit have been moved on. They were also dumped out of the cup by lowly Colne. Their moneybags chairman launched 'Project EFL' last year. Arrogant in the extreme. Now he's been saying things like 'I need the fans to do their bit, if we go full time we need crowds to double, we need local businesses on board' etc. etc. I can understand them wanting to posture a bit and not have other clubs taking advantage of them because they're bankrolled, but there's being reasonable, and being greedy to the extent that you're denying one of your employees the time of their life. Now that word has got out, I'm sure their fans won't be over-enamoured with how they're potentially treating Liam. If they're not careful, any player worth his salt will think twice about signing for them, and they'll end up with a team of pea-hearted mercenaries too. Compare that to the players we sign who love playing for AA and Darlington. As the Hereford fans said in their piece about the NLN, team spirit counts for masses in this league, and if you flash the cash in a cold-hearted clinical manner, it really doesn't get you close to guaranteeing success.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by jjljks » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:32 pm

m62exile wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:38 pm
Well all I’d say is that defensively we have gone from looking really shaky and vulnerable to extremely solid and controlled.

That could be the effect of Connell replacing Elliott, the emergence of Storey, or the return of Wheatley to add protection but it has made us look a totally different proposition.

I’d argue that within the first half an hour at Leamington when Connell made his debut we’ve looked much more solid, personally.


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Can't argue with anything there. Whilst Liam exudes confidence & produced some class saves, Shields should be realistic about his monetary worth. Have been impressed with Storey who has slotted in well and Wheatley is almost back to his pre-injury level. They have brought some stability back to the team & deserve some credit.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by dfc4me » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:42 pm

The problem with having a good fa cup run is that other clubs know how much money you have won and see an opportunity to get a share of it by asking inflated transfer fees. The sad thing in this case is that a player is being denied a chance he will probably never get again.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by onewayup » Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:59 pm

We as a fan owned club must never be held to ransom by any club for any player, sensible negotiations is the only way, if a sensible deal cannot be agreed then move on.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by HarryCharltonsCat » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:21 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:16 am
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:41 am
HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:48 am
Darlofan97 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:32 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:27 pm
A reasonable fee is fuck all, for a 33 year old who is out of contract in 5 months.

If Shields won't extend his loan, or let us sign him for nowt - then they can go and fuck themselves and we'll go back in for him at the end of the season.

Obviously I'd like us to sign Connell, but to be fair Elliott was doing OK anyway.
Elliott was not really doing great prior to Connell’s arrival and everyone has now seen the impact which a good goalkeeper can have at this level.

Alun had a great one at Blyth in Jameson and he won them points across the season (similar to how Connell has done for us).

If we can’t secure LC permanently then we should be looking elsewhere for another goalkeeper.
Have I missed something? Was Elliott that much of a liability we have to replace him, or a la Jameson are we overplaying his faults?
I agree with Harry, Elliott didn't do too badly and now he suddenly is the Anti-Keeper?
Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
Remarkably disrespectful to the rest of the squad. The emergence of Storey , Liddle occupying his correct position, Hedley having proved more than useful at right back, Wheatley coming back to his best, none of this contributes to our recent improvement or leads to us finishing higher than 13/14th. O'Neill getting better by the game, the options we have on the bench. None of this matters if Elliott plays. Sorry, can't agree.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by QuakerPete » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:52 pm

loan_star wrote:
Darlofan97 wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:16 am
Depends if you’re happy with 13th/14th place or not.
We all want the club to finish as high as possible but we also have to be sensible with what we spend money on too.
Elliott is not a bad keeper but Connell is better on what we have seen. However the deal has to be right for the club and we cant afford to be held to ransom and made to spend money that really should be used elsewhere.
Agreed - and add to this we’ll be held hostage by other clubs for future transfers. Just don’t do it! He’s 34 and will be available for free soon.


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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Darlofan97 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:15 pm

HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:21 pm

Remarkably disrespectful to the rest of the squad. The emergence of Storey , Liddle occupying his correct position, Hedley having proved more than useful at right back, Wheatley coming back to his best, none of this contributes to our recent improvement or leads to us finishing higher than 13/14th. O'Neill getting better by the game, the options we have on the bench. None of this matters if Elliott plays. Sorry, can't agree.
No it’s not remarkably disrespectful. The goalkeeping role is such a key position and a good one earns you 10-15 points across the season, irrespective of the rest of the team.

People seem quite tetchy over the fact I’ve said Elliott is average and we can do better within our budget, whether that is Connell or another. He is clearly an upgrade, and has such a big impact since arriving, otherwise why are many clamouring over Connell signing?

I do agree that we should not be held to ransom by South Shields and we should walk away from the deal if need be. Elliott is okay enough to step back in, but he isn’t as commanding and solid as Connell.

I really don’t think that’s an unreasonable assessment!

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by quakersfan » Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:22 am

We won’t be getting Connell playing budget already over limit apparently.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:43 am

I would be happy if we had to pay a small fee to keep him for another month, so he gets his chance at playing a football league team (he deserves it). At the end of the next loan spell we need to see where we are in the league - if we are in and around the playoffs then hopefully we can do as deal with Shields. If we have dropped down a bit I would tell Shields where to go and get an agreement agreed with Connell for him to sign next season. Elliot back in the sticks for the rest of the season will be fine as this is a building season - hopefully Alun can uncover some more gems between now and the end of the season.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:47 am

I heard the asking price is £10K.

Too much, if true.
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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:20 am

quakersfan wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:22 am
We won’t be getting Connell playing budget already over limit apparently.

Said in isolation that doesn't tell the full story. What we really need to know is, are we over budget from how it was set at the beginning of the season, but we can afford to a bit because we have some wiggle room due to our cup run, or are we over including cup run money? If it is the former then we may still have a little left. Not for 10k mind you.

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Re: Liam Connell - Boost the Budget

Post by dfc4me » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:57 am

Since the start of the season we have lost Heaton and paid of Burn immediately after the cup win at Leamington so no prizes for guessing where that money came from. However Burns salary has now been freed up and could well cover both Hedley and Storey, or at least close to it. And we still have the £18K from the last round left. While there is no way we should Shields £10K of it we could agree a small loan fee to let the lad have what is probably his only chance to face a league club.

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