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Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:55 pm
by Quaker0006
Think these two have had a fantastic season - probably the best pairing weve had sinced dropping down the leagues. No coincidence i think our up turn in form (past couple of results not included!) has been greatly influenced by these two. Both are out of contract in the summer, and its become a concern of mine that there are rumblings that neither are to be offered a new contract by the club with at least one already having a club lined up. I hope this is well wide of the mark - i cant not see either demanding wages they are beyond our budget. Its also thought Armstrong wants both to put pen to paper but the club arent willing.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:03 pm
by Darlo_CR
Both have additional year options within their contracts so fortunately the rumours you've heard are false.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:14 pm
by Quaker0006
Options - these dont mean these will be taken up. Wheatleys fitness was muted as a reason

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:30 pm
by lo36789
But we hold the options. So they can't demand more money as the option will be an extension.

I think some people are just being a nuisance and we are in Chinese whispers territory.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:42 pm
by Quaker0006
I sincerely hope they are just that but heard from different parties. Ive not mentioned wage demands - i was fully aware of options on both. Surely with these types of players, you dont wait till the of the season to review that.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:02 pm
by Beano
Possibly the worst idle speculation I've read on here in a long while.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:22 pm
by quakersfan
I reckon Wheatley will go but good if we can keep Hatfield. With an expected drop in playing budget AA will have to do some serious wheeling and dealing in the summer.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:34 pm
by lo36789
Quaker0006 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:42 pm
Ive not mentioned wage demands - i was fully aware of options on both.
Quaker0006 wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:55 pm
I hope this is well wide of the mark - i cant not see either demanding wages they are beyond our budget.
You literally said you can't not see them demanding wages beyond our budget.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:40 pm
by Quaker0006
I meant wouldnt demand high wage in general but reading back didnt read that way.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:44 pm
by Emdubya
Beano wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:02 pm
Possibly the worst idle speculation I've read on here in a long while.
This.
Someone’s added 2and 2and got 7.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:45 pm
by Quaker0006
Emdubya wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:44 pm
Beano wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:02 pm
Possibly the worst idle speculation I've read on here in a long while.
This.
Someone’s added 2and 2and got 7.
Hope so

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:53 pm
by Dilly-dilly
Why not ask him

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:10 pm
by HarrytheQuaker
And I get slagged off for posting shite.. God this is a total shite post

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Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:15 pm
by Quaker-Ste
Why do you say expected decrease in budget when we should begin benefiting from 500 club expiries next season?

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:16 pm
by Yarblockos
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:22 pm
I reckon Wheatley will go but good if we can keep Hatfield. With an expected drop in playing budget AA will have to do some serious wheeling and dealing in the summer.
Why would there be an expected drop in playing budget?

With the end of the 500 club for many season ticket holders our projected income will be increased next season and DJ was even pondering a full-time hybrid model.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:28 pm
by Ghost_Of_1883
I'm also confused about this "expected decrease in budget"?

Crowds are no lower than last season, and surely this season's budget will have been based partly on those crowds from last season. I mean, I'm not happy with our crowds this season actually, but I can't see gate income being lower than last year.

Commercial income on the face of it doesn't look any worse than last season, and we no longer have CM at the club so a wage saved there.

Some 500 club ST holders expire, I vaguely remember a figure of around 150 though I could be wrong. You'd expect most of those to renew so let's say 120 x £200avg = £24,000 - VAT = £20,000 extra.

There are 2 extra home games next season so let's call that 1,500 x 2 matches = 3,000 more spectators during the season at average £10 = £30,000 extra gate income - VAT = £25,000 extra.

I'd expect the club will factor in 80k BTB like last season when setting the budget (and we exceeded that by 23k). I just can't see any reason why we should forecast a lower budget next season other than the BTB totally flopping - which of course it never will, cos we're great.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:32 pm
by Ghost_Of_1883
Yarblockos wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:16 pm
DJ was even pondering a full-time hybrid model.
That's absolute pie in the sky nonsense, mind. DJ should have kept his gob shut on that one, as he has got a few people's hopes up.

I'd hope to see a modest increase in budget especially if we beat the BTB target, but we'd need a very substantial increase in budget to have a core of FT players.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
by quakersfan
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons Not sure who sets the budget one person says it’s DFCSG other DJ. Have to say as a fan owned club we hear very little about finances overall.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:45 pm
by Ghost_Of_1883
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons Not sure who sets the budget one person says it’s DFCSG other DJ. Have to say as a fan owned club we hear very little about finances overall.
Maybe the starting budget will be set lower than last season's starting budget, but I can't think of any convincing reasons why it should be?

Obviously the budget has increased during the season because of the cup run, so maybe the budget will be set lower than the current inflated budget? As we can't bank on another cup run.

I can't really see commercial and gate income being lower this season than last.

We have additional money coming in next season from a few 500 club members renewing STs, and 2 extra home matches and we've cut costs in CM's salary, and also we we will no longer have to pay Simon Ainge whatever we're still paying him to be not here. I'm guessing those little additions should be near enough covering what we earned in the cups this season?

All guesswork of course.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:57 pm
by lo36789
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons Not sure who sets the budget one person says it’s DFCSG other DJ. Have to say as a fan owned club we hear very little about finances overall.
What financial information do you think you should have - and what will you do with it? ie. what decisions will you make as a result of the information?

Generally speaking budget is proposed by the FD to the board of directors - I suspect we are similar. As shareholders of the DFCSG we appoint the board of the CIC and subsequently who represents the CIC on the DFC board.

I think we get more information than most shareholders of the majority shareholding entity of a company. I do think people really misinterpret 'fan ownership' for 'fan consulted'. Generally speaking shareholders are responsible for voting on appointments to the board of directors / changes to company articles but beyond that day-to-day operations are the responsibility of the CEO and other delegated authorities / job roles.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:13 pm
by dfc4me
Last summer DJ/AA said this was a 2 year project - rebuild this year then have a good go at promotion next year. This year the budget was increased due to having to cover 3 long term injuries so may well drop back to where it was originally. I think all the players AA has brought in are on 1 year contract with a 1 year option so AA can reject the option on anyone he’s not happy with. The problem will be Thompson, Galbraith and Wheatley who are on contracts given out by TW and will probably be significantly higher than everyone else so AA may want to keep the player but not on the same salary.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:23 pm
by Yarblockos
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons
Who from?

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:51 pm
by Vokuhila
I don't know about the financials of it all, but it would be a big blow if Wheatfield broke up.

I've had enough heartbreak tonight as it is watching Love Island #doubledumping

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:58 pm
by LoidLucan
I doubt whether there'll be any club in the land that has at this stage come to decisions on the size of next season's budget.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:06 pm
by don'tbuythesun
I did warn you about becoming addicted. It could be a very sad ending.

Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:27 am
by Darlogramps
Yarblockos wrote:
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons
Who from?
Don’t give him what he wants. Quakersfan loves pretending to be the prophet of doom, then slinking away and whacking off as people ask him about it.

He’s a s***-stirrer with an agenda and an axe to grind.

Given we don’t know what division we’ll be in next season, anyone claiming to know what our budget is should be given a wide berth.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:40 pm
by quakersfan
Darlogramps wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:27 am
Yarblockos wrote:
quakersfan wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:36 pm
Just heard that budget likely to be lower than this seasons
Who from?
Don’t give him what he wants. Quakersfan loves pretending to be the prophet of doom, then slinking away and whacking off as people ask him about it.

He’s a s***-stirrer with an agenda and an axe to grind.

Given we don’t know what division we’ll be in next season, anyone claiming to know what our budget is should be given a wide berth.
That’s a bit harsh, look at my previous posts I’m normally right on things. To compete in the next league you need at least £500k/£600k with all the extra costs. We don't have a money tree our commercial Director has gone so I’m just repeating on what I’ve heard is that next years budget will likely be less than our current wage bill.

As for your comment on gloom and doom I’d love to competing with a really good budget next season be that in this league or NL but I’m realistic.

We will have some extra income from the 500 club finishing for some but you have to get them to sign up.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:13 pm
by Dilly-dilly
No he hasn't

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:24 pm
by dfc4me
The thing is our current wage bill is higher than intended because of the need to cover three long term injuries. My guess is that next seasons budget will be about the same as this season’s started at. However by then Ainge will gone, we won’t have to pay off Burn and any other of TWs 2 year, big money contracts will have run out so we might actually have more money available.

Re: Hatfield & Wheatley

Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:37 pm
by quakersfan
dfc4me wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:24 pm
The thing is our current wage bill is higher than intended because of the need to cover three long term injuries. My guess is that next seasons budget will be about the same as this season’s started at. However by then Ainge will gone, we won’t have to pay off Burn and any other of TWs 2 year, big money contracts will have run out so we might actually have more money available.
Yes your right on that also With Trotman in the public eye and once he’s fit I could see him moving on as well and hopefully for a decent fee.