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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by quakersfan » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:16 am

bga wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:18 am
quakersfan wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am
I think today will be the last game in along time. As we are run by volunteers at least we don’t have a large non playing wage bill particularly with Craig Morley now left.
If the players and football management were to take a reduction or deferred payment we can get through this. HMRC are notorious in chasing monthly PAYE hopefully that will be relaxed as well as VAT. Also is the cup run money still there or has it already been spent £100k? as this could really help us get through next few months.
I’m the short terms I’m taking 3 people who support other teams along today to boost funds.
"Particularly with Craig Morley now left"......could be interpreted as a dig.....do you know how much he was on? We may still be paying him.
Not a dig at all personally thought he did a good job you only have to look at how many boards we have around the ground and additional sponsors and I have no idea on what he was paid, sales roles are often commission based. My comment about Craig is I’d imagine he was the only non playing PAYE person.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:06 am
It does seem strange to hold this game today. It seems that there will be a long lay off with two options at the end of it. Either to declare a kind of ghost season or to ram a load of matches in mid summer. Either way todays game seems a bit pointless.
Agreed. The only point of today’s game would be the revenue generated which will go some way to seeing us through a couple of weeks of staff wages. I’m not for one minute saying the club should have called it off but the outcome of the game is largely irrelevant. No more than a glorified friendly imo.

If people can afford to I’d urge them to buy the EB season tickets. That revenue will see the club able to largely pay the players until the end of their contracts in April. At some point we will be playing again.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by AndyPark » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:35 pm

divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:37 pm

There will be a massive amount of betting on our game and the few others which are on.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:40 pm

AndyPark wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:35 pm
divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.
I'm not convinced.

The peak isn't expected for 2 months, and that was based on models that didn't expect these decisions being taken - it could be pushed out futher now.

How can measures be softened before the peak?

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:44 pm

AndyPark wrote:
divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.
“No more than a glorified friendly”, are you serious with that comment when we are chasing a playoff place.We want as many fans to go to this game today and support the team and the club.


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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:52 pm

Yes I am serious. League won’t start again until August/September. All sorts of issues to iron out with playing contracts etc. Given our PT status and players generally on shorter contracts they may even be a different approach to teams in the league. No one knows yet so I fail to see how today matters. When we eventually get back to it I expect a lot of us will probably be in quite a different place.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Marty1 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:04 pm

Agree with Divas. Complete waste of everyone's time as the league will be suspended next week until further notice and the likelihood of it being played in its entirety very remote. Understand the reasoning to an extent with funds being required but have to say the FA in general have abdicated their responsibilities ( not surprised at that ) and should have done the same as Scotland and Wales which would have not left it in others hands. All clubs should be doing the same with no exceptions.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Old Git » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:10 pm

I’m a season ticket holder but will make a donation in the collection buckets to help the club and would urge other season ticket holders to do the same if they can.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:21 pm

It'll be the last chance to see us for some time, although living near Boston I'm hoping I may have the chance on Tuesday.
Divas is right in that what confronts us will be unprecedented and it will have big implications for next season too.
I'm wondering if we'll need to do some fundraising going forward to see us through until the end of the season. Eventually we might need to cost what we'd have lost in those final 4 fixtures and do a slush fund. It'll be tough as we'll have BTB too, but I think the club will need us more than ever as fan owners in the next few month as some clubs may face going to the wall.
Divas will hopefully know if this is something that can be discussed or put on the table.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by bga » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:37 pm

quakersfan wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:16 am
bga wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:18 am
quakersfan wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am
I think today will be the last game in along time. As we are run by volunteers at least we don’t have a large non playing wage bill particularly with Craig Morley now left.
If the players and football management were to take a reduction or deferred payment we can get through this. HMRC are notorious in chasing monthly PAYE hopefully that will be relaxed as well as VAT. Also is the cup run money still there or has it already been spent £100k? as this could really help us get through next few months.
I’m the short terms I’m taking 3 people who support other teams along today to boost funds.
"Particularly with Craig Morley now left"......could be interpreted as a dig.....do you know how much he was on? We may still be paying him.
Not a dig at all personally thought he did a good job you only have to look at how many boards we have around the ground and additional sponsors and I have no idea on what he was paid, sales roles are often commission based. My comment about Craig is I’d imagine he was the only non playing PAYE person.
In fairness you did use the word Large wage bill and then in the same breath say particularly after he had left which could have been misinterpreted? As regards the success or otherwise of the Commercial Manager position see the AGM thread. David Johnson,s statements might suggest your views are incorrect.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by QuakerPete » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:37 pm

Vodka_Vic wrote:It'll be the last chance to see us for some time, although living near Boston I'm hoping I may have the chance on Tuesday.
Divas is right in that what confronts us will be unprecedented and it will have big implications for next season too.
I'm wondering if we'll need to do some fundraising going forward to see us through until the end of the season. Eventually we might need to cost what we'd have lost in those final 4 fixtures and do a slush fund. It'll be tough as we'll have BTB too, but I think the club will need us more than ever as fan owners in the next few month as some clubs may face going to the wall.
Divas will hopefully know if this is something that can be discussed or put on the table.
I’m in agreement with Vic, there’s going to be a cash shortfall and I can’t see the season being completed if peak infection is still 10-14 weeks away. It falls on us, the fans, as owners to ensure the club can get through this period. Would be a start to have a formal fund-raiser ready when the inevitable postponements / cancellations come.


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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by jjljks » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:41 pm

There will be serious consequences for many clubs, some of which may end in administration or even extinction. Various spaces could appear in any league which then impact promotion /relegation. Pyramids need solid foundations & could collapse.....

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:57 pm

Vodka_Vic wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:21 pm
It'll be the last chance to see us for some time, although living near Boston I'm hoping I may have the chance on Tuesday.
Divas is right in that what confronts us will be unprecedented and it will have big implications for next season too.
I'm wondering if we'll need to do some fundraising going forward to see us through until the end of the season. Eventually we might need to cost what we'd have lost in those final 4 fixtures and do a slush fund. It'll be tough as we'll have BTB too, but I think the club will need us more than ever as fan owners in the next few month as some clubs may face going to the wall.
Divas will hopefully know if this is something that can be discussed or put on the table.
Probably talking in the region of £20-25K that we’ll either lose or have to defer as a result.

Principally if we can have a good take up on the EB ticket sales before the end of the month then that will help us massively get to a position where we can try to muddle through. Having 39 week contracts that end at the end of April for playing staff is a huge benefit.

What is unclear now is how we’d handle contract extensions but it’s a problem all PT clubs will face. I guess simplistically you could potentially offer contracts for next season that wouldn’t start paying until we are playing again and have revenue coming in. However players will want money - for some it’s their only job. Could it be a chance for clubs with a benefactor to come in and offer players better terms which would see them be paid across the summer? Guess it depends on the restrictions the FA put on transfers. Very much a wait and see.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:19 pm

OK, so 500 fans chucking in 50 quid each to keep us on an even keel in a once in a lifetime occurrence.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by AndyPark » Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:25 pm

Worst comes to worst and if the club needs backing to keep afloat - I have no doubt that we will dig deep.

I'm sure other clubs will be the same. Fingers crossed for whatever happens.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Darlo_Pete » Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:03 pm

darlo reborn wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:09 am
Only pointless if we lose lol
So pointless then?

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by tezza » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:15 am

divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:57 pm
Vodka_Vic wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:21 pm
It'll be the last chance to see us for some time, although living near Boston I'm hoping I may have the chance on Tuesday.
Divas is right in that what confronts us will be unprecedented and it will have big implications for next season too.
I'm wondering if we'll need to do some fundraising going forward to see us through until the end of the season. Eventually we might need to cost what we'd have lost in those final 4 fixtures and do a slush fund. It'll be tough as we'll have BTB too, but I think the club will need us more than ever as fan owners in the next few month as some clubs may face going to the wall.
Divas will hopefully know if this is something that can be discussed or put on the table.
Probably talking in the region of £20-25K that we’ll either lose or have to defer as a result.

Principally if we can have a good take up on the EB ticket sales before the end of the month then that will help us massively get to a position where we can try to muddle through. Having 39 week contracts that end at the end of April for playing staff is a huge benefit.

What is unclear now is how we’d handle contract extensions but it’s a problem all PT clubs will face. I guess simplistically you could potentially offer contracts for next season that wouldn’t start paying until we are playing again and have revenue coming in. However players will want money - for some it’s their only job. Could it be a chance for clubs with a benefactor to come in and offer players better terms which would see them be paid across the summer? Guess it depends on the restrictions the FA put on transfers. Very much a wait and see.
These statements are spot on, the challenges we face in the coming week/months are unprecedented. Hoping for any financial assistance from The FA or Elite Clubs is a non starter. Similarly i am sure PT Football is way down the Government priority list. We, the fans will be instrumental in getting us out the other side intact.Supporting the EB Season ticket issue should provide us with a mild insurance to fend off a medium term season suspension/expungement etc.
Stockdale and Johnston have a huge task ahead, particularly as there seems little financial headroom to absorb any loss of income.
Dealing with players, particularly those who may feel they have no future here will be troublesome.Dealing with creditors ensuring our reputation does not take another knock. DFGSC will surely be the vehicle to attract other forms of additional financial support.

One thing that goes across my mind, and very much goes with "every cloud has a silver lining" train of thought. Our landlords will not be unaffected by the current predicament. As i understand it there situation is very much hand to mouth .... will they have the resources to ride out any long term financial impacts. I can almost hear the quill on parchment as they seek DBC assistance. Not from my community charge.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by JasonDeVos » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:41 am

tezza wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:15 am
divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:57 pm
Vodka_Vic wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:21 pm
It'll be the last chance to see us for some time, although living near Boston I'm hoping I may have the chance on Tuesday.
Divas is right in that what confronts us will be unprecedented and it will have big implications for next season too.
I'm wondering if we'll need to do some fundraising going forward to see us through until the end of the season. Eventually we might need to cost what we'd have lost in those final 4 fixtures and do a slush fund. It'll be tough as we'll have BTB too, but I think the club will need us more than ever as fan owners in the next few month as some clubs may face going to the wall.
Divas will hopefully know if this is something that can be discussed or put on the table.
Probably talking in the region of £20-25K that we’ll either lose or have to defer as a result.

Principally if we can have a good take up on the EB ticket sales before the end of the month then that will help us massively get to a position where we can try to muddle through. Having 39 week contracts that end at the end of April for playing staff is a huge benefit.

What is unclear now is how we’d handle contract extensions but it’s a problem all PT clubs will face. I guess simplistically you could potentially offer contracts for next season that wouldn’t start paying until we are playing again and have revenue coming in. However players will want money - for some it’s their only job. Could it be a chance for clubs with a benefactor to come in and offer players better terms which would see them be paid across the summer? Guess it depends on the restrictions the FA put on transfers. Very much a wait and see.
These statements are spot on, the challenges we face in the coming week/months are unprecedented. Hoping for any financial assistance from The FA or Elite Clubs is a non starter. Similarly i am sure PT Football is way down the Government priority list. We, the fans will be instrumental in getting us out the other side intact.Supporting the EB Season ticket issue should provide us with a mild insurance to fend off a medium term season suspension/expungement etc.
Stockdale and Johnston have a huge task ahead, particularly as there seems little financial headroom to absorb any loss of income.
Dealing with players, particularly those who may feel they have no future here will be troublesome.Dealing with creditors ensuring our reputation does not take another knock. DFGSC will surely be the vehicle to attract other forms of additional financial support.

One thing that goes across my mind, and very much goes with "every cloud has a silver lining" train of thought. Our landlords will not be unaffected by the current predicament. As i understand it there situation is very much hand to mouth .... will they have the resources to ride out any long term financial impacts. I can almost hear the quill on parchment as they seek DBC assistance. Not from my community charge.
As a club are we in a better position than others? Limited paid non playing staff? No stock that has been bought that can go off- ie beer etc. 47 week players contracts. Rent a ground so not liable for ongoing bills like water gas and rates?

We could almost mothball the club for a time. Will be tough no doubt but far worse for other lower league clubs with larger playing and non playing staff etc.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by quakersfan » Sun Mar 15, 2020 12:07 pm

As a club are we in a better position than others? Limited paid non playing staff? No stock that has been bought that can go off- ie beer etc. 47 week players contracts. Rent a ground so not liable for ongoing bills like water gas and rates?

We could almost mothball the club for a time. Will be tough no doubt but far worse for other lower league clubs with larger playing and non playing staff etc.
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Think we are in a better position than many as we are part time we just have to pay players up to end of 47 weeks and with no full time non playing staff it probably is a case of mothballing as you describe above.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pm

Wayne Rooney -

"The next World Cup is in November and December 2022, so you could actually use this situation as an opportunity and say we're going to finish the 2019-20 season later this year, then prepare for 2022 by having the next two seasons starting in winter."
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Spyman » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:25 pm

The banning of mass gatherings is more to do with reducing the need to police these events and have ambulances on standby when they could he better used elsewhere. It's not so much about stopping the transmission of the virus.

That's why the marathon has been pushed back - huge amounts of policing and medical staff involved.

Our games will have a relatively low police presence and don't require hoards of ambulance crews.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:30 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pm
Wayne Rooney -

"The next World Cup is in November and December 2022, so you could actually use this situation as an opportunity and say we're going to finish the 2019-20 season later this year, then prepare for 2022 by having the next two seasons starting in winter."
i said that to a fan yesterday that it could be a good way to trial summer football but no doubt cricket and rugby fans would start moaning.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by darlo reborn » Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:49 pm

Someone on facebook came up with this idea early last week and made a lot of sense

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:30 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:26 pm
Wayne Rooney -

"The next World Cup is in November and December 2022, so you could actually use this situation as an opportunity and say we're going to finish the 2019-20 season later this year, then prepare for 2022 by having the next two seasons starting in winter."
I guess that works...until you see articles like the Guardian at the moment running with PHE are advising senior officials that the outbreak is going to last until Spring 2021.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by jjljks » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 am

Rugby club must be very worried about their revenue stream & in a way Covid19 could do us a favour if they went into administration.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Quaker85 » Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:50 am

jjljks wrote:Rugby club must be very worried about their revenue stream & in a way Covid19 could do us a favour if they went into administration.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Old Git » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:13 am

jjljks wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 am
Rugby club must be very worried about their revenue stream & in a way Covid19 could do us a favour if they went into administration.
Sorry but I don’t think that is the right way to look at the situation. I am not a fan of the Rugby Club but surely we all have to support one another at the present time and hoping for their downfall is out of order.
Heartened to read in today’s Echo DJ is confident we are in a position to survive the shutdown. Clearly he is hoping the fans will rally round and he states he can also help the club as well if needed.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:18 am

jjljks wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 am
Rugby club must be very worried about their revenue stream & in a way Covid19 could do us a favour if they went into administration.
unless im missing something then how would this help?

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:55 am

jjljks wrote:
Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 am
Rugby club must be very worried about their revenue stream & in a way Covid19 could do us a favour if they went into administration.

Not funny.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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