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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am

BBC News - Coronavirus: EFL offers £50m to help clubs as Trophy final postponed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51951389

Not convinced the NL have these sort of reserves available.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by al_quaker » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am

National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by spen666 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:59 pm

al_quaker wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am
National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic
That's just to cover Barnet's losses

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by biccynana » Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:35 pm

al_quaker wrote:
Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:50 am
National league asking the FA for £17m across the 68 clubs based on forecasted lost revenue, according to the athletic
Yeovil's chairman, having just announced the club has asked players and staff to take a 50% pay cut with immediate effect:
The sad thing is the amount of money we’re talking about to save non-league clubs is a small amount of money compared with the £50m the EFL announced last week or the £4bn TV contract paid to the Premier League. It is such a small amount of money that would be needed to keep everyone alive and moving forward.
Reckon any of that £4bn will find its way to the likes of DFC? No, me neither.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:03 pm

Non League paper reporting that step 5 and 6 season are to end with immediate effect.

https://twitter.com/NonLeaguePaper/stat ... 09152?s=19

FA league committee to decide whether to declare by PPG or null and void the season entirely...

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:28 pm

lo36789 wrote:Non League paper reporting that step 5 and 6 season are to end with immediate effect.

https://twitter.com/NonLeaguePaper/stat ... 09152?s=19

FA league committee to decide whether to declare by PPG or null and void the season entirely...
According to the FA nothing has been decided yet as meetings are on going and they say this is a false claim

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:40 pm

HarrytheQuaker wrote:
Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:28 pm
According to the FA nothing has been decided yet as meetings are on going and they say this is a false claim
Also known as "somebody leaked something from today's meeting"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 7:52 pm

https://www.betvictornorthernpremier.co ... ason-61678

Northern Premier League seeking the same outcome.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 am

That was sent when Non League Paper leaked it. The Northern Premier League statement has come out since as they were still in the meeting.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by JE93 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:45 am

lo36789 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:47 am
That was sent when Non League Paper leaked it. The Northern Premier League statement has come out since as they were still in the meeting.
It's an interesting one, clubs clearly worried about what the situation re contracts will be, imagine most will expire at the end of April. Clubs not wanting to commit to further spend without knowing when they can realistically expect income to start coming back in. Which begs the question if the season was to restart, what squads would everyone start with. The regular season transfer ban will start from the end of March which typically runs till the end of the first week in June. So in theory there would be no transferring of registrations till that re-opens, but nothing to stop players walking away from being out of contract.

For me personally, I would tend to agree with the Step 3-6 approach. Look to end the season now. Decide promotions and relegations on a PPG basis and give clubs a bit of certainty. But recognise there will be many who have the completely valid and opposite view.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:50 am

And it continues...

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/footb ... ssion=true

These are obviously rumour until confirmed but definitely seems to be the way things are going.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:52 am

Bit of a mixed message in the article in one breathe says null and void but then goes on to say Barrow and Harrogate would be nominated for promotion.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:15 am

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Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:52 am
Bit of a mixed message in the article in one breathe says null and void but then goes on to say Barrow and Harrogate would be nominated for promotion.
Totally unfair if true. Teams would be relegated down to their present position in the league? This is completely unsporting, as we all know that seasons run until the final game, with twists and turns - good and bad form. And let's not forget, for every team going up there will be one going down*.

*Bury situation excluded.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Spyman » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:57 am

I don't understand the logic behind voiding this season or not finishing it.

Void next season, or shorten it. Then everyone starts out on a level playing field (except slopey spenny) and nobody can complain.

Either way, one season is voided or completed to different rules, so why does it have to be this season? Get this season finished in the autumn if necessary and then shorten the 20/21 season appropriately.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:20 pm

Spyman wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:57 am
I don't understand the logic behind voiding this season or not finishing it.

Void next season, or shorten it. Then everyone starts out on a level playing field (except slopey spenny) and nobody can complain.

Either way, one season is voided or completed to different rules, so why does it have to be this season? Get this season finished in the autumn if necessary and then shorten the 20/21 season appropriately.

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Couldn’t have put it better :thumbup:
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by al_quaker » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:29 pm

I presume an issue is with part-time contracts being 40 weeks long and expiring at the end of April (I think?). If we could get things finished in May then I'm sure something could be sorted out. But what if it's August or even later before we can play football again? Will we be forced to keep the same players on for longer in order to finish this season with comparable squads? Or will the end of this season be played out with a completely different squad? Not easy questions to answer when you have clubs living hand to mouth. It's a bit different for elite clubs with 52 week contracts and multi-year deals.

For what it's worth, I think probably deciding this season on a PPG is the least bad option, but there's no ideal solution to this.

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Post by Darlogramps » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:47 pm

Agree with al_quaker. Football won’t start until late April at the very earliest (and I suspect that is optimistic).

Which means if you were to restart, by the time you play the remaining 8-10 matches, plus play-offs, you’d be playing into at least June, perhaps July.

That’s potentially 2 and half more months of pay clubs will have to find, which for many isn’t feasible.

Shortening next season would also impact many clubs in terms of revenue I’d presume. Reducing the number of home games will see them with less money to pay essential bills, rents etc. And if there are fewer games, they won’t get as much from sponsorships either.

The longer this goes on, the more likely everything will be null and voided and we just go again next season, when in August hopefully all these restrictions will have been loosened, if not lifted altogether.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:47 pm

I think it all boils down to contracts (players and commercial) and budgets.

All our players are scheduled to be paid until April and then those on contracts for next year will behind to be paid again at the start of August.

There are also other commercial contracts. We have our time to play at BM on the first team pitch until the end of April and then from August onwards. Other clubs will have kits and sponsorships which start at the beginning of the new playing season.

Wouldn't surprise me if insurance and the like is equally only covered during the playing season.

The only precedent was the war. The season was null and voided but that was a lot earlier in the season than we are now.

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Post by Darlogramps » Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:53 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
lo36789 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:52 am
Bit of a mixed message in the article in one breathe says null and void but then goes on to say Barrow and Harrogate would be nominated for promotion.
Totally unfair if true. Teams would be relegated down to their present position in the league? This is completely unsporting, as we all know that seasons run until the final game, with twists and turns - good and bad form. And let's not forget, for every team going up there will be one going down*.

*Bury situation excluded.
There are all sorts of issues to resolve. There’s the Step 4 restructure, there’s the EFL being down one team. What about new clubs like Bury AFC? Where do they go next season? There’s so much that would need sorting out.

And if they do decide to have promotion and relegation on PPG, clubs have to realise these are wholly unprecedented times. Yes it’s maybe unfair, but this virus is going to kill thousands of people, so perspective is needed. It’s not a good look for clubs to be complaining that everything isn’t perfect for them, particularly when there is no perfect solution.

I hope clubs look at the big picture rather than self-interest when the final decision is made.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Old Git » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:21 pm

Agree Gramps fans need to realise football related matters appear trivial at present.
Having played 3/4 of the season it seems reasonable to make decisions on the basis of PPG. Maybe not ideal but what is now right so hope there will be some agreement that it is the most practical way forward.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by al_quaker » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:24 pm

https://twitter.com/NonLeaguePaper/stat ... 66816?s=20

Looks like it wont be played to a conclusion

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:27 pm

Yes, I agree D.G. I agree with all that however there’s two things here to consider. This season, and next season.

I think we can all agree that at some point football will restart, so to me finishing what has been started (this season) trumps what may happen in the future (next season) - bearing in mind another shutdown could occur in the future.

* football is the least of our worries.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by spen666 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:22 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:53 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:
lo36789 wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:52 am
Bit of a mixed message in the article in one breathe says null and void but then goes on to say Barrow and Harrogate would be nominated for promotion.
Totally unfair if true. Teams would be relegated down to their present position in the league? This is completely unsporting, as we all know that seasons run until the final game, with twists and turns - good and bad form. And let's not forget, for every team going up there will be one going down*.

*Bury situation excluded.
There are all sorts of issues to resolve. There’s the Step 4 restructure, there’s the EFL being down one team. What about new clubs like Bury AFC? Where do they go next season? There’s so much that would need sorting out.

And if they do decide to have promotion and relegation on PPG, clubs have to realise these are wholly unprecedented times. Yes it’s maybe unfair, but this virus is going to kill thousands of people, so perspective is needed. It’s not a good look for clubs to be complaining that everything isn’t perfect for them, particularly when there is no perfect solution.

I hope clubs look at the big picture rather than self-interest when the final decision is made.


Couldn't agree more.

I would add that its better to try to only have one disrupted/ disjointed season than affect next season as well. Lets get back to normal as soon as possible ie next season, not have 2020/21 season disrupted as well be being delayed/ truncated/ odd numbers of teams etc.

What is happening now is exceptional and unprecedented in English sport. Some clubs may be worse off, some better off, but there is no perfect solution as every suggested solution raises issues

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:29 pm

But Spen, if Spennymoor were top of the league? A once in a generation chance of taking their superb perimeter fence up to the Holy Grail of The National League.

Be honest now .....
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by spen666 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:32 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:29 pm
But Spen, if Spennymoor were top of the league? A once in a generation chance of taking their superb perimeter fence up to the Holy Grail of The National League.

Be honest now .....

I am being honest. As things stand now, Spennymoor are in play off position...therefore they still have a chance of promotion.

I still support ending season now, using PPG and promote automatically top 2 teams (no play offs). This would deny Spennymoor any prospect of promotion but its the right thing to do

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Post by Darlogramps » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:41 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:But Spen, if Spennymoor were top of the league? A once in a generation chance of taking their superb perimeter fence up to the Holy Grail of The National League.

Be honest now .....
I would say complaining about that in these circumstances is a little selfish and wouldn’t look good for the club.

It’s immensely frustrating for many sides who will miss out on going up. But as I said, it’s not as if it’s through a grand conspiracy. This is a global health emergency, the like of which we haven’t seen in our lifetimes, and hopefully never will again.

I really think it’s a case of you have to take it on the chin and go again next season. Anything else is all a bit insensitive and lacking perspective.

And that’s before the obvious financial implications of extending this season and disrupting the next.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:44 pm

I'm just tickling Spen's ribs.

Meanwhile Raj has started sacking people apparently. Who'd have thought he would be first to trap?
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by onewayup » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:56 pm

The only way is to void this season, start afresh next season every team on level playing field,
Far to many equations if it's carried on ,which will have certain clubs taking the ruling bodies through the judicial system to attain what they believe they should have,
END IT NOW FOR THE GOOD OF THE GAME, THIS IS ABOUT STAYING ALIVE, THE SOONER EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS DONE FOR THIS SEASON THE SOONER CLUBS CAN START TO FORMULATE FOR NEXT SEASON.
WHICH WILL GIVE EVERYONE FANS AND CLUBS THE BEST POSSIBLE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL,
THIS MIGHT /MIGHT NOT RESTART ISN'T DOING ANYONE ANY FAVOURS.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Mister e » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:33 pm

No matter what decision is made at any level barrow must replace bury in the football league no arguments there. Also like I said a few weeks ago if the season is null and voided surely poor thommo reverts back to 94 goals and we didn't have a cup run after all.

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