lo36789 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:48 am
The son of a current league one assistant manager, the brother of a recently retired PL player and the cousin of a current league one player (who has recently been linked with the SPL).
I said names, not job positions. Anyone can type out a job position. Doesn't you've actually spoken to them, or that they even exist. Names please. Moreover, this is second-hand, anecdotal testimony from people whose specialisms aren't the field of finance. Why would the brother of a recently retired Premier League player have great insight into the salary expenditure of League One clubs?
lo36789 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:48 am
Alright the highlighted top earner in League One from a northern club isn't Sunderland...is that really a massive leap come on. A "massive" leap.
You have already cited them as probably having a big budget, heck they publicly bemoan their high salaries that they have maintained from their relegations on a TV show relative to other clubs, and the alternatives are Accrington Stanley, Blackpool, Bolton, Tranmere, Rotherham, Doncaster and Rochdale but you think suggesting that the top paid player in League One, from a "northern club", is probably Sunderland is a "massive leap".
I didn't say "massive leap", I merely said leap. Which is what it is because it was an assumption. And to assume will make an ass out of U and Me, as the saying goes.
I didn't use the word "massive". You're putting words in my mouth, which is poor form. Why are you mis-quoting? Is it to exaggerate your own point? Either way it's poor form and suggests you're not here to discuss in good faith.
That figure refers to wage expenditure, not budget as you've stated. Happy to explain the difference between a salary and a budget, but it would be patronising and embarrassing to most on here.
lo36789 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:48 am
Where are you proposing to set he Championship cap? £50m would mean 4 clubs changing their ways. £15m would mean every single club in the division being above the cap...does that not already show an existing gap between the two regardless of a cap?
I don't have to propose a specific figure. There are people with better economic brains than myself who would do that. I'm not even arguing the Championship HAS to have one. Only that there needs to be consistency across the entire EFL. I'm struggling to see why you find that so objectionable.
lo36789 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:48 am
Let's also go back to what you disputed which was for most clubs being able to survive in the Championship is beyond them and just getting there for a season would be a dream. 75% of clubs voted to cap salaries at 2.5million (that is a comfortable majority, most is greater in amount so majority is most), 75% is the required vote in EFL for a change in rules. Thee data shows that the smallest budget needed to survive in Championship is £15m. You dispute the original statement, by that do you mean to suggest that creating capacity to increase salary expense more than 6 fold is "realistic" for most clubs.
This is a bit of a word soup (not untypical for yourself). For example: "that is a comfortable majority, most is greater in amount so majority is most". That makes no sense as a sentence.
And the above paragraph is also meaningless as you've again conflated budget and salary. It's hard to have a serious discussion with someone who gets basic facts wrong. You seem to think you're an intellectual, yet make really simple and basic errors.
Another error - you've taken the above list and applied it to all Championship seasons. That's not enough be drawing those type of conclusions. It's one season's figures, but it doesn't demonstrate a causal link, as you are implying.
I'll repeat my arguments in simple, easy-to-understand terms for you. It's patronising to suggest League One clubs can't compete in the Championship for more than a season or two (which is what Ghost said). There are many teams in the third tier who could easily compete at that level, but their ability to do so will be restricted because of the salary cap in previous seasons. Without a salary cap, Championship clubs will be able to pay more and more as wage inflation attracts the better players to that level. Meanwhile, the promotion-chasing League One clubs will be restricted as their salary budgets will be capped. This therefore makes it harder for clubs promoted out of League One to compete.
This isn't an argument for or against a salary cap, merely that if you have one at one level, it damages competitive integrity by not having one at the next, particularly in divisions run by the same organisation.
Now, because you've deliberately mis-quoted me and got basic information wrong, I'm struggling to see any further valuing in maintaining this discussion.