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Re: Ground share

Post by spen666 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:57 am

Can't see any good reason not to allow the temporary relocation.

The allowed Darlington to move to BM mid season, so some teams went to Bishop & some to BM.

Only thing I could see being an issue was if ( hypothetical situation). Darlington tried to switch back to BM for games against clubs expected to attract small gates, then moving back to Arena again for big games..

Other than that hypothetical point, which is easily dealt with in terms of permission, I can see no reason to refuse the request.

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Re: Ground share

Post by jjljks » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:44 pm

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:37 am
jjljks wrote:Did DJ say if he had heard back from the NL on our request to temporarily relocate to the Arena?
No, still waiting to hear.

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Thanks, Quakerman2.
DJ is doing a great job for the club & soccer in lower & non-leagues who rely on gate receipts to keep going. I bet there are lots of other teams' fans looking at their chairman & wondering why they aren't being so proactive.
Hope National League officials understand how urgent the issue is and to give us a prompt & positive answer.

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Re: Ground share

Post by Emdubya » Mon Aug 17, 2020 12:54 pm

spen666 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:57 am
Can't see any good reason not to allow the temporary relocation.

The allowed Darlington to move to BM mid season, so some teams went to Bishop & some to BM.

Only thing I could see being an issue was if ( hypothetical situation). Darlington tried to switch back to BM for games against clubs expected to attract small gates, then moving back to Arena again for big games..

Other than that hypothetical point, which is easily dealt with in terms of permission, I can see no reason to refuse the request.
Think you’ll find all our games are treated equally Spen.We’ll leave match seeding and price rises to uncle Brad.

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Re: Ground share

Post by HarryCharltonsCat » Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:24 pm

cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.

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Re: Ground share

Post by Vokuhila » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:53 pm

QUAKERMAN2 wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 11:20 am
Common sense should prevail here
Common sense is a flower that doesn't grow in everyone's garden unfortunately.

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Re: Ground share

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:58 pm

HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.
I actually think the stadium had found a cure for global warming as is was permanently freezing!


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Re: Ground share

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:12 am

HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:24 pm
cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.
If only one stand is open then there is barely any point going there, at 17% of one stand (if it turns out to be 17%) we#d be lucky to achieve a capacity above 1,000.

We'd surely want a capacity of around 3,000, we'd have to have nearly 2/3rds of the stadium open for that.
#Arenaherewecome

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Re: Ground share

Post by quakersfan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:41 am

Can’t see why stands can’t be open they have done for Friendlies we have had there in the past. Hopefully the NL will see sense and DJ gets a decision this week.

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Re: Ground share

Post by en passant » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:14 am

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:12 am
HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:24 pm
cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.
If only one stand is open then there is barely any point going there, at 17% of one stand (if it turns out to be 17%) we#d be lucky to achieve a capacity above 1,000.

We'd surely want a capacity of around 3,000, we'd have to have nearly 2/3rds of the stadium open for that.
Just working on the bald figure of 25,000 max capacity, half that (two sides open) would be 12,500. 17% of that would be 2,125, which would be more than enough for our our normal crowds. But would it now be possible to have one of the ends open if they have not been used by the rugby club and may not be fit for use?
But is 17% based on conditions at an all seater stadium, or on the assumption that there is free standing and movement? If the postion occupied by each person can be regulated by remaining in their alloted seat, maybe it would be possible to increase the crowd density and only need the one stand.

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Re: Ground share

Post by cbh89f » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am

HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:24 pm
cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.
There’s no denying that the stadium is far too large for purpose .
Always has been , but it depends on what stands would be open .
There’s seats for everyone, everyone can see the game , ample car parking, bars within 1/2 mile and bars and food in the stadium .

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Re: Ground share

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:38 am

cbh89f wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
There’s no denying that the stadium is far too large for purpose .

Amusingly, if the purpose is to watch sport in a "safe and socially distanced manner" - then it is "fit for purpose"

If the league perversely turn this request down, I for one will be annoyed that I will not be able to support my team :thumbdown:
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Ground share

Post by al_quaker » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:53 am

en passant wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:14 am
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:12 am
HarryCharltonsCat wrote:
Mon Aug 17, 2020 2:24 pm
cbh89f wrote:
Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:48 pm
Is there any logical reason that some people hate the Arena .
Obviously there were bad times there due to unscrupulous characters who had no interest in the Football Club .
The Arena in itself was not and is not the problem .
The place is not jinxed or haunted .
To state that you would never go there again is completely illogical .
It’s like saying my ex wife used to live in Richmond so I’m never going there again...
As with BM, some people just hated the "matchday experience". Rattling round a 90% empty stadium, that seemed to be freezing cold even in the height of summer, with little atmosphere wasn't fun to some. Happy to go back as a temporary solution to a problem not of our making, but am I looking forward to watching football in a rusting stadium with one stand open? No.
If only one stand is open then there is barely any point going there, at 17% of one stand (if it turns out to be 17%) we#d be lucky to achieve a capacity above 1,000.

We'd surely want a capacity of around 3,000, we'd have to have nearly 2/3rds of the stadium open for that.
Just working on the bald figure of 25,000 max capacity, half that (two sides open) would be 12,500. 17% of that would be 2,125, which would be more than enough for our our normal crowds. But would it now be possible to have one of the ends open if they have not been used by the rugby club and may not be fit for use?
But is 17% based on conditions at an all seater stadium, or on the assumption that there is free standing and movement? If the postion occupied by each person can be regulated by remaining in their alloted seat, maybe it would be possible to increase the crowd density and only need the one stand.
Surely the stands on their own would be fine? It's just a seat. The concourses are a different matter. Could there be a situation where the stands are open, but access is only granted to under the main stand?

And yes at a guess I'd say the 17% may increase in an all seated stand with plenty of turnstiles and facilities, compared to what BM can offer. DJ talked about entrances/exits/car parking in his 5Live interview the other day.

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Re: Ground share

Post by cbh89f » Tue Aug 18, 2020 1:44 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:38 am
cbh89f wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:21 am
There’s no denying that the stadium is far too large for purpose .

Amusingly, if the purpose is to watch sport in a "safe and socially distanced manner" - then it is "fit for purpose"

That’s not the point I was making .
The stadium was far too large for purpose when it was built and still is too large for the fan base of DFC and MPRFC .

If the league perversely turn this request down, I for one will be annoyed that I will not be able to support my team :thumbdown:

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Re: Ground share

Post by quakermass » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:01 pm

Hopefully this time round we’ll be given the opportunity to sit at the warm side of the arena (the side where the seats were fading). I always wondered what it would be like to sit in that stadium and experience a temperature above 5 degrees. Fingers crossed this gets the green light, as personally I much preferred the arena to BM.


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Re: Ground share

Post by cbh89f » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:33 pm

:thumbup:
quakermass wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:01 pm
Hopefully this time round we’ll be given the opportunity to sit at the warm side of the arena (the side where the seats were fading). I always wondered what it would be like to sit in that stadium and experience a temperature above 5 degrees. Fingers crossed this gets the green light, as personally I much preferred the arena to BM.


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Re: Ground share

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Tue Aug 18, 2020 4:38 pm

anybody know when a decision will be made?

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Re: Ground share

Post by Darlopartisan » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:34 pm

BBC to mention potential move to the Arena on look north tonight

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Re: Ground share

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:18 pm

Good report & interview with DJ on this evening's Look North.

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Re: Ground share

Post by JasonDeVos » Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:32 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:18 pm
Good report & interview with DJ on this evening's Look North.
Doing a great job of getting the message out there. Such an asset to the club.

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Re: Ground share

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:04 pm

JasonDeVos wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:32 pm
Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:18 pm
Good report & interview with DJ on this evening's Look North.
Doing a great job of getting the message out there. Such an asset to the club.
Indeed he came over as very professional.

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Re: Ground share

Post by bga » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:18 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:04 pm
JasonDeVos wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:32 pm
Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:18 pm
Good report & interview with DJ on this evening's Look North.
Doing a great job of getting the message out there. Such an asset to the club.
Indeed he came over as very professional.
Agree DJ was even nice to DRC he says "We have a good Landlord down at BM!" The League are going to look really stupid if they tun this request down.

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Re: Ground share

Post by jonessimon050 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:43 pm

The article states that we have requested (to the league) that we temporarily move back to the Arena.

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Re: Ground share

Post by quaker4life » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:07 pm

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.c ... -football/

If this is correct then a move to the Arena would be pointless.
Stage one:

From 22 August 2020 to 30 August 2020, spectators are permitted to attend fixtures at Steps 3-6of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP, providing that their number does not exceed 15 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at these levels or respective figures set out within the updated guidelines
If a club at these levels does not play any fixtures during this period, it must have played at least one pre-season or competitive fixture in accordance with its respective level of spectators before moving on to stage two
Stage two:

From 31 August 2020, clubs at steps three to six of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP will be permitted to allow spectators to attend fixtures provided that their number does not exceed 30 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at their level or the respective figures set out within our updated guidelines. However, they must be satisfied that they have been able to comply with the Government’s guidance on the return to recreational team sport and our updated guidelines
Capacity restrictions will be based on the minimum required for ground grading and not the capacity of the stadium E.G the minimum capacity at NLN level is 3,000 so initially we'll be allowed to have a maximum of 450 spectators and then a maximum of 900 thereafter.
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Re: Ground share

Post by spen666 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:26 pm

quaker4life wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:07 pm
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.c ... -football/

If this is correct then a move to the Arena would be pointless.
Stage one:

From 22 August 2020 to 30 August 2020, spectators are permitted to attend fixtures at Steps 3-6of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP, providing that their number does not exceed 15 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at these levels or respective figures set out within the updated guidelines
If a club at these levels does not play any fixtures during this period, it must have played at least one pre-season or competitive fixture in accordance with its respective level of spectators before moving on to stage two
Stage two:

From 31 August 2020, clubs at steps three to six of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP will be permitted to allow spectators to attend fixtures provided that their number does not exceed 30 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at their level or the respective figures set out within our updated guidelines. However, they must be satisfied that they have been able to comply with the Government’s guidance on the return to recreational team sport and our updated guidelines
Capacity restrictions will be based on the minimum required for ground grading and not the capacity of the stadium E.G the minimum capacity at NLN level is 3,000 so initially we'll be allowed to have a maximum of 450 spectators and then a maximum of 900 thereafter.

If I read your post correctly, even if a club in NLN/NLS were to play home games at say Wembley Stadium they are still limited to 450 spectators

That seems bizarre and illogical.

It also means there is unlikely to be a financial case to play at the Arena until those restrictions are limited

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Re: Ground share

Post by quakersfan » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:30 pm

quaker4life wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:07 pm
https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.c ... -football/

If this is correct then a move to the Arena would be pointless.
Stage one:

From 22 August 2020 to 30 August 2020, spectators are permitted to attend fixtures at Steps 3-6of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP, providing that their number does not exceed 15 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at these levels or respective figures set out within the updated guidelines
If a club at these levels does not play any fixtures during this period, it must have played at least one pre-season or competitive fixture in accordance with its respective level of spectators before moving on to stage two
Stage two:

From 31 August 2020, clubs at steps three to six of the NLS and tiers three to four of the WFP will be permitted to allow spectators to attend fixtures provided that their number does not exceed 30 per cent of the minimum ground grading capacity at their level or the respective figures set out within our updated guidelines. However, they must be satisfied that they have been able to comply with the Government’s guidance on the return to recreational team sport and our updated guidelines
Capacity restrictions will be based on the minimum required for ground grading and not the capacity of the stadium E.G the minimum capacity at NLN level is 3,000 so initially we'll be allowed to have a maximum of 450 spectators and then a maximum of 900 thereafter.
I can't see DJ doing the headache of a move just for 1350 people it just doesn’t make sense.

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Re: Ground share

Post by quaker4life » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:34 pm

spen666 wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:26 pm

If I read your post correctly, even if a club in NLN/NLS were to play home games at say Wembley Stadium they are still limited to 450 spectators

That seems bizarre and illogical.

It also means there is unlikely to be a financial case to play at the Arena until those restrictions are limited
Indeed, regardless of the overall capacity of the stadium the restrictions would be based on the minimum capacity for ground grading at the respective level.

As Unfortunate as it is that many supporters across the country will lose out, I think it is fair as it levels the playing field for all clubs - this is what I meant when I said there couldn't be one standard for Darlington and another for everyone else.
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Re: Ground share

Post by MB86DFC » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:36 pm

quaker4life wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:34 pm
spen666 wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:26 pm

If I read your post correctly, even if a club in NLN/NLS were to play home games at say Wembley Stadium they are still limited to 450 spectators

That seems bizarre and illogical.

It also means there is unlikely to be a financial case to play at the Arena until those restrictions are limited
Indeed, regardless of the overall capacity of the stadium the restrictions would be based on the minimum capacity for ground grading at the respective level.

As Unfortunate as it is that many supporters across the country will lose out, I think it is fair as it levels the playing field for all clubs - this is what I meant when I said there couldn't be one standard for Darlington and another for everyone else.
So by your logic all grounds should exactly equal in size post lock down? Just so not to be seen as unfair? This is total stupidity by the league and may be the end of some clubs.

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Re: Ground share

Post by quaker4life » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:45 pm

MB86DFC wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:36 pm

So by your logic all grounds should exactly equal in size post lock down? Just so not to be seen as unfair? This is total stupidity by the league and may be the end of some clubs.
No.

Personally I'd have curtailed the league until such a time it was safe for grounds to reopen at 100% capacity, however allowing teams to play at bigger venues to bypass capacity restrictions to me is nonsensical and contradictory they may as well not be there to begin with and to reiterate once again there can't be one rule for one club and another for the rest.

You have two options essentially

1. Resume the league with restricted capacities
2. Suspend the league indefinitely until such a time spectators are allowed to return unrestricted

In both scenarios clubs will suffer financially it's really a case of choosing your poison.
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Re: Ground share

Post by quaker4life » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:46 pm

Double post.
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Re: Ground share

Post by shildonlad » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:15 pm

From what i gather the rules out today on crowd restrictions are just for step 3 and below which would be ok for the bulk of clubs at that level but not for step 2 and above, lets hope common sense prevails for above step 3
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