FA rules on abandonment

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:32 pm

AndyPark wrote:
Darlo2807 wrote:
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Darlo2807 wrote:
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if we’re going to chase promotion
Don’t think we have to worry about that
Been awful against Boston and shite again here vs Telford.
This is awful, wafer thin at the back and too lightweight up front.Very poor.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by bga » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am

Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by lo36789 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm

bga wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am
Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?
These decisions are usually made towards the end of the season.

To be honest there are hugely more pressing issues for them right now that the outcome of Darlington v Boston.

Return of fans / capacity to extend season beyond current timescales / dispersal of funding and the ongoing cancellations due to COVID are top of the list.

For obvious reasons they tend to see whether it actually matters. If neither club needs the points they will just let the result stand. If the points matter for play offs / promotion it will be replayed.

The best outcome is that the game doesn't need to be replayed for obvious reasons we won't accept that if the 3 points is crucial, equally whoever loses out if Boston got the 3 points wouldnt accept it.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by bga » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:29 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am
Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?
These decisions are usually made towards the end of the season.

To be honest there are hugely more pressing issues for them right now that the outcome of Darlington v Boston.

Return of fans / capacity to extend season beyond current timescales / dispersal of funding and the ongoing cancellations due to COVID are top of the list.

For obvious reasons they tend to see whether it actually matters. If neither club needs the points they will just let the result stand. If the points matter for play offs / promotion it will be replayed.

The best outcome is that the game doesn't need to be replayed for obvious reasons we won't accept that if the 3 points is crucial, equally whoever loses out if Boston got the 3 points wouldnt accept it.
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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by bga » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:33 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am
Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?
These decisions are usually made towards the end of the season.

To be honest there are hugely more pressing issues for them right now that the outcome of Darlington v Boston.

Return of fans / capacity to extend season beyond current timescales / dispersal of funding and the ongoing cancellations due to COVID are top of the list.

For obvious reasons they tend to see whether it actually matters. If neither club needs the points they will just let the result stand. If the points matter for play offs / promotion it will be replayed.

The best outcome is that the game doesn't need to be replayed for obvious reasons we won't accept that if the 3 points is crucial, equally whoever loses out if Boston got the 3 points wouldnt accept it.
I bow to your knowledge regarding a decision being made towards the end of the season. I understand all the points you raised just seems to me that waiting to see whether the points matter is dodging the issue a bit. Shouldn't the decision be based on what happened on the night rather than what might happen in the future?

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by Darlofan97 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:39 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am
Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?
These decisions are usually made towards the end of the season.

To be honest there are hugely more pressing issues for them right now that the outcome of Darlington v Boston.

Return of fans / capacity to extend season beyond current timescales / dispersal of funding and the ongoing cancellations due to COVID are top of the list.

For obvious reasons they tend to see whether it actually matters. If neither club needs the points they will just let the result stand. If the points matter for play offs / promotion it will be replayed.

The best outcome is that the game doesn't need to be replayed for obvious reasons we won't accept that if the 3 points is crucial, equally whoever loses out if Boston got the 3 points wouldnt accept it.
This literally make no sense.

The league won’t wait until close to the end of the season at all. This could potentially worsen the fixture pile-up in April/May when the game could have been replayed in February/March (when the fixtures are less hectic).

Also, the league won’t wait to see if either team needs the points. This could go up until the final day and cause further controversy.

The Warrington game took just over one month to sort. The circumstances weren’t exact but were similar in the sense that it was an abandoned game.

The NPL didn’t wait until the end of the season then to see if we needed the points and there is no reason to expect that the National League will wait around either.

The sooner a decision is made, the better.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by Darlogramps » Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:57 pm

Yep, lo is once again making it up as he goes along.

Whether the game has anything riding on it doesn’t matter. The league would never judge that. All they are concerned with (and this is written in the constitution of the National League) is that every side fulfills all their scheduled fixtures.

If it’s a dead rubber or a title decider, it doesn’t matter. All they’ll be judging is whether the game that was initially played can be called a completed match. If not, then they’ll order it to be replayed.

Simple as that.
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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by bga » Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:01 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:39 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:56 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:20 am
Been almost a month since the abandoned fixture any idea when the League will make a decision? Do they only meet once a month to make such decisions?
These decisions are usually made towards the end of the season.

To be honest there are hugely more pressing issues for them right now that the outcome of Darlington v Boston.

Return of fans / capacity to extend season beyond current timescales / dispersal of funding and the ongoing cancellations due to COVID are top of the list.

For obvious reasons they tend to see whether it actually matters. If neither club needs the points they will just let the result stand. If the points matter for play offs / promotion it will be replayed.

The best outcome is that the game doesn't need to be replayed for obvious reasons we won't accept that if the 3 points is crucial, equally whoever loses out if Boston got the 3 points wouldnt accept it.
This literally make no sense.

The league won’t wait until close to the end of the season at all. This could potentially worsen the fixture pile-up in April/May when the game could have been replayed in February/March (when the fixtures are less hectic).

Also, the league won’t wait to see if either team needs the points. This could go up until the final day and cause further controversy.

The Warrington game took just over one month to sort. The circumstances weren’t exact but were similar in the sense that it was an abandoned game.

The NPL didn’t wait until the end of the season then to see if we needed the points and there is no reason to expect that the National League will wait around either.

The sooner a decision is made, the better.
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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by lo36789 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:11 pm

Each league is different - that is why the rule is basically "at league committee discretion". They can decide what they want, when they want.

Their preference on this occasion will absolutely be to not replay it. As you say the outcome is all fixtures to be fulfilled - another game on an already busy schedule really won't be desired at all. Especially if it risks breaching their rule.

If they can get away with not needing a replay they will but equally there are so many variation where awarding Boston 3 points could come back at them. I just wouldnt be surprised if they wait there is limited value in making a decision now our schedule is already full after our covid rearrangements.

To be fair as well we are only just over 3 weeks now, it might be an item at the next league meeting to decide. We know the default will be replay. I just imagine with the fact the league needs to be finished by 29th May that won't be preferred as it threatens their requirement to have all fixtures fulfilled.

What is sure this won't an exceptional meeting of the league board won't have and won't be convened to decide the outcome.

PPG has been put forward by the FA league council now so I guess so perhaps finishing all fixtures is less important now. Just fit in as many as you can by 29th May.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:57 pm

While we're at it lo, OldGit wants to know if we can replay a match played on the 22nd of June 1986, a World Cup quarter final.

Do you think that will happen?
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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by Darlofan97 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:05 pm

Lo, with the greatest of respect, your hypothesis is flawed and I cannot quite work out what point you are trying to make.

The league is re-arranging fixtures quite quickly, we have seen this ourselves with several of our cancelled games re-arranged promptly.

The game could easily be rearranged for February/March time if they judge that December/January is too packed.

The FA are also cramming the FA Trophy ties in quite quickly, despite the implications of Covid-19.

It would be negligent for the FA not to consider having a vote and settling on PPG in the event the league is suspended etc. They’re simply planning for this eventuality and I don’t think it’s yet an indicator of “just fit in as many games at you can”. That would set a dangerous and worrying precedent.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by lo36789 » Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:25 pm

It might be sorted out quickly - as in at the next meeting but who knows - I don't know if there is a burning need for the outcome to be decided at pace. The National League have historically been very slow at deciding anything in the past.

If I am not mistaken it is the responsibility of home clubs to re-arrange postponed games and clubs are fined if they don't re-arrange then within a set timescale (I know for instance in the North West Counties the rearranged fixture must be within 40 days of the original). It might be different in the National League - each league does have its own way of operating.

The communication that I have seen has not discussed deciding the outcome in case of a suspension. It was very specific that it was about not finishing before the 29th May deadline.

Ultimately once that is decided then obviously the preference would be to play but currently in some leagues they would be circa 25 games into the league season by now and they have played 3 games. The reality is they will not finish.

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Re: FA rules on abandonment

Post by lo36789 » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:15 pm

All sorted anyway replay (it is the default).

Obviously the view is we can / will be able to complete the league season with that extra game.

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