Season at risk of finishing early

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:43 pm

Mission Impossible wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:34 pm
Two week suspension of the league
Wow

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:44 pm

My opinion wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:37 pm
Two questions..(they may have been touched on earlier in this thread but I can't find them if they have)

One. If the second option is taken by the National league only,(National leagues north and south both ended).
Does the repayment of the loan still fall onto every team in all leagues.

Two. If option two is accepted by all three leagues, Will that give every club an equal share of the money or will the top league once again grab 60% of the money leaving 40% to the lower two leagues..

Sorry if I have missed the detail if it has been mentioned.
Option 2 is means tested. Ultimately though it will be clawed back - only those who benefited (ie received 'grants') would have the money clawed back from them.

But in reality nothing would stop the NL changing the distribution payments across the board in order to balance their own finances following taking the loan.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by Mission Impossible » Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:50 pm

So an even bigger backlog now

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by My opinion » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:01 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:44 pm
My opinion wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:37 pm
Two questions..(they may have been touched on earlier in this thread but I can't find them if they have)

One. If the second option is taken by the National league only,(National leagues north and south both ended).
Does the repayment of the loan still fall onto every team in all leagues.

Two. If option two is accepted by all three leagues, Will that give every club an equal share of the money or will the top league once again grab 60% of the money leaving 40% to the lower two leagues..

Sorry if I have missed the detail if it has been mentioned.
Option 2 is means tested. Ultimately though it will be clawed back - only those who benefited (ie received 'grants') would have the money clawed back from them.

But in reality nothing would stop the NL changing the distribution payments across the board in order to balance their own finances following taking the loan.
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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:08 pm

Does this mean we furlough for two weeks?

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by Darlofan97 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:14 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:08 pm
Does this mean we furlough for two weeks?
No income coming in from matches, and no funding yet to be provided from the league/DCMS for January, so yes presumably we will have to.

Thankfully it appears that all of our players/management have been employed by us prior to the furlough cut-off date of 30 October 2020.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by jjljks » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:22 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:15 pm
jjljks wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:28 am
Isn't it illegal to insist workers ply their trade in an unsafe environment?
It illegal not to take all necessary steps to mitigate - which is effectively to operate in line with FA covid guidance.

You can't remove all risk from a workplace ultimately otherwise the construction industry would be finished.
Accept you cannot eliminate risk totally, but most industries have safety at work policy, PPE, hi-viz & so on to mitigate risks but the National League is not even insisting on Covid tests for players. Not sure the FA is enforcing their own recommendation on goal celebrations. No point in having HASAW & Covid policies if they are not enforced.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by Darlofan97 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:28 pm

jjljks wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:22 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:15 pm
jjljks wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:28 am
Isn't it illegal to insist workers ply their trade in an unsafe environment?
It illegal not to take all necessary steps to mitigate - which is effectively to operate in line with FA covid guidance.

You can't remove all risk from a workplace ultimately otherwise the construction industry would be finished.
Accept you cannot eliminate risk totally, but most industries have safety at work policy, PPE, hi-viz & so on to mitigate risks but the National League is not even insisting on Covid tests for players. Not sure the FA is enforcing their own recommendation on goal celebrations. No point in having HASAW & Covid policies if they are not enforced.
It’s up to the employer to enforce them.

There are strict Covid-19 protocols in place at this level, which clubs enforce, along with clubs carrying out their own risk assessments.

However, we do need regular testing at this level if we are to continue (in order to reduce the risk & transmission), aligned with our Premier League & EFL ‘elite’ counterparts.

A player can refuse to attend the work-place on H&S grounds, a club could also refuse to play on H&S grounds, but this is where it can get a bit messy and very legal.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by Darlofan97 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:53 pm

It now appears that option 2 is off the table, the National League is no longer considering taking out the loan itself and distributing this to clubs as a grant.

So, it has to be a DCMS u-turn (to provide funding as grants) or null & void.

Crikey.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:16 pm

Very strange match day tomorrow on the NL Prem.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by Darlofan97 » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:24 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:16 pm
Very strange match day tomorrow on the NL Prem.
Very strange - especially as most clubs in the National League were in favour of this option.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by JasonDeVos » Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:42 pm

Darlofan97 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:24 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:16 pm
Very strange match day tomorrow on the NL Prem.
Very strange - especially as most clubs in the National League were in favour of this option.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimcgreen/st ... 1495543811

Great overview from the Chester point of view and where we are at now. Loans fully off the table.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by LoidLucan » Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:09 pm

It's clear that loans won't happen and there'll be no more grants which leaves ending this increasingly chaotic, ridiculous and failing season as the only realistic outcome now.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by wizardofos » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:19 pm

Perhaps it was a bit optimistic to start the season with a set amount of grant money on the table, which was insufficient to sustain the full programme without (potentially) any turnstile income.
Benefit of hindsight and all that.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by onewayup » Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:22 pm

I now believe that the league management has lost respect within the football fraternity, one cockup after another, the only way out of the mess that they created is to end the season now ,null and viod it,restore sanity ,start again in August all things being alot better a new season with new optimism that health wise the country has got a grip of the virus, the league management distribution of the £11,000000 was an absolute disgrace yet the criteria of the distribution has not called for the league management to answer in full how they came to the conclusions that they did.,everyone knows how skewed their decisions were, I really think that the league management committee have to be taken to task over it, maybe if they published how they came to the decisions they did it might help repair some of the damage caused.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by jjljks » Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:54 am

Hopefully these 2 weeks will give the League management committee time to reflect on the mess they have created. Not expecting any miracle so perhaps mass resignation is the least they could do. Certainly don't expect the FA or DCMS to come up with a sensible solution.

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:41 pm

The Northern Echo is suggesting that our Trophy game will go ahead...
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by dfcdfcdfc » Sun Jan 24, 2021 11:19 pm

At the moment that is the position

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by jjljks » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:34 am

Not had any acknowledgement from our MP, let alone any interest in the plight of soccer at our level

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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by poppyfield » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:04 am

jjljks wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:34 am
Not had any acknowledgement from our MP, let alone any interest in the plight of soccer at our level
You can email him here, peter.gibson.mp@parliament.uk , he will reply , I have emailed him in the past when we were trying to get grants etc. before the season started, but as I am not one of his constituents he is not allowed to act on my behalf.
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Re: Season at risk of finishing early

Post by jjljks » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:08 am

poppyfield wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:04 am
jjljks wrote:
Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:34 am
Not had any acknowledgement from our MP, let alone any interest in the plight of soccer at our level
You can email him here, peter.gibson.mp@parliament.uk , he will reply , I have emailed him in the past when we were trying to get grants etc. before the season started, but as I am not one of his constituents he is not allowed to act on my behalf.
That was the one I used.

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