Re: Season at risk of finishing early
Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:20 am
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Simple courtesy tho', init?
Certainly worth a try as our local MP should have the ear of the government, although my experience of asking him to do things for his constituents rather than personal profile has not been a positive one.
onewayup wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:49 amA majority of clubs need to come to the same decision ,to put this season to bed and end the crass stupidity started by the national league management, who appear to be clutching at straws in order to wriggle out of their responsibilities to all clubs in their jurisdiction,
These people have not even come up with the criteria of how they managed to totally cockup the distribution of the grants in October, November, December,, so what do people expect from the clowns in charge, I personally fear for the pyramid being able to continue in its present guise under this league management's transparency or honesty. They don't seem able to grasp the fundamentals of the loan situation foisted upon clubs in their leagues, you cannot borrow money to
Become insolvent. Which is exactly what they want clubs to do. The season must end to stop the stupidity continually sent out by the league management.
Good post. I agree 100%.onewayup wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:49 amA majority of clubs need to come to the same decision ,to put this season to bed and end the crass stupidity started by the national league management, who appear to be clutching at straws in order to wriggle out of their responsibilities to all clubs in their jurisdiction,
These people have not even come up with the criteria of how they managed to totally cockup the distribution of the grants in October, November, December,, so what do people expect from the clowns in charge, I personally fear for the pyramid being able to continue in its present guise under this league management's transparency or honesty. They don't seem able to grasp the fundamentals of the loan situation foisted upon clubs in their leagues, you cannot borrow money to
Become insolvent. Which is exactly what they want clubs to do. The season must end to stop the stupidity continually sent out by the league management.
Whatever the point is that refusing to play games / being unable to fufill games whilst the season progresses won't just be a case of "ah it's exceptional circumstances, of course you can just start again with everyone else in August"spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:05 amThe vote would not be to expunge or not in those circumstances. The vote would be to expel from league or not and would inevitably be to expel and therefore as so few games played the records would be expunged ( but fines imposed for booking/ sendings off etc still stand!)lo36789 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:49 amThere is a difference though.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:29 amif that happened at this stage in a normal season, the record would be expunged. Its only after 70 or 75% of games have been played by a club their record is not expunged and points for unfulfilled games go to opposition, but no change to goal difference madelo36789 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:22 amThere are three times in the past where we have effectively said we can not afford to continue playing.
You don't just get a free pass of "that's fine, come back when you are ready".
If the decision is not 3, as is our preference we can by all means furlough and shut down but we will be a) fined for failing to fulfil fixtures and b) will finish the season on 13 points.
Formally withdraw from the league versus simply on every matchday say we don't have a squad they are all furloughed...well until the point that they are not.
I mean they would probs vote and vote to expunge and we'd finish on 0 points so would be relegated.
There is no way that they are going to let some clubs play on and others say "we will wait until next season".
I know it is a different sport but Toronto did exactly what is being suggested here and were expecting to just re-join SL for the coming season.lo36789 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:49 amThere is a difference though.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:29 amif that happened at this stage in a normal season, the record would be expunged. Its only after 70 or 75% of games have been played by a club their record is not expunged and points for unfulfilled games go to opposition, but no change to goal difference madelo36789 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 9:22 amThere are three times in the past where we have effectively said we can not afford to continue playing.
You don't just get a free pass of "that's fine, come back when you are ready".
If the decision is not 3, as is our preference we can by all means furlough and shut down but we will be a) fined for failing to fulfil fixtures and b) will finish the season on 13 points.
Formally withdraw from the league versus simply on every matchday say we don't have a squad they are all furloughed...well until the point that they are not.
I mean they would probs vote and vote to expunge and we'd finish on 0 points so would be relegated.
There is no way that they are going to let some clubs play on and others say "we will wait until next season".
Vodka_Vic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:24 pm"Then what?
That club were not given a loan, but the others in the division met whatever criteria and got loans? The club could argue they have been discriminated against
Again, a bit of an unknown as what the strict criteria have not been published"
I was thinking that too Spen. Also, the points that have been raised re: forcing clubs to act illegally by trading insolvently. Am not sure the League could make options 1 and 2 stick. Would not be surprised if this whole thing was a jumping through hoops exercise which will ultimately lead to option 3 being carried out.
Ollie Bayliss has shared the extract from NL rules £2,500-£10,000 fine for failing to fulfil a fixture.al_quaker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pmConcord Rangers are not going to be playing this weekend
https://twitter.com/ConcordRangers/stat ... 90849?s=20
Would any/ many fans want their money back. Think at this level and below the vast majority if not all fans regard the need of their club as being bigger than theirs.Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:23 pmIf the season is ended, what happens to ST holders & 500 club members. It will put the club in a very difficult position.
You missed the most important bit.lo36789 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:26 pmOllie Bayliss has shared the extract from NL rules £2,500-£10,000 fine for failing to fulfil a fixture.al_quaker wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:00 pmConcord Rangers are not going to be playing this weekend
https://twitter.com/ConcordRangers/stat ... 90849?s=20
My reading of it is the NL would take on the loan and then provide funding to the clubs in the form of grants which would be repaid over time. It does not necessarily mean that all clubs have to take the grants. For example a club such as Spennymoor may decide that because of the financial backing of their Chairman they will simply take the hit themselves. Surely any grants taken on would be the responsibility of each individual club to repay regardless of which league they end up in.liamsears wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:29 pmIt's been mentioned here a few times but what happens if Option 2 happens and then a team leaves the NL structure (promotion or relegation)? How is the NL "grant" then repaid or is it repaid by the teams in the NL structure each year.
You can see, if the "grant" is only repaid by withholding of the NL moneys, why those teams at the top of the NL at the moment will be voting for a continuation as they will see only promotion being the priority as the "debt" vanishes if you got up.
With relegation from the NLS/NLN pretty much guaranteed not to happen, as there is very little chance of a season getting to a point of conclusion below level 2, the teams in NLN/NLS are guaranteed to be repaying the "debt" for at least 1 season.
A grant repayed over time you say...I think that would by definition be a loan.Old Git wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:36 pmMy reading of it is the NL would take on the loan and then provide funding to the clubs in the form of grants which would be repaid over time. It does not necessarily mean that all clubs have to take the grants. For example a club such as Spennymoor may decide that because of the financial backing of their Chairman they will simply take the hit themselves. Surely any grants taken on would be the responsibility of each individual club to repay regardless of which league they end up in.liamsears wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:29 pmIt's been mentioned here a few times but what happens if Option 2 happens and then a team leaves the NL structure (promotion or relegation)? How is the NL "grant" then repaid or is it repaid by the teams in the NL structure each year.
You can see, if the "grant" is only repaid by withholding of the NL moneys, why those teams at the top of the NL at the moment will be voting for a continuation as they will see only promotion being the priority as the "debt" vanishes if you got up.
With relegation from the NLS/NLN pretty much guaranteed not to happen, as there is very little chance of a season getting to a point of conclusion below level 2, the teams in NLN/NLS are guaranteed to be repaying the "debt" for at least 1 season.
Whether I am right or not I have no idea.
It would look dreadful for them. Similarly if majority of clubs are willing to continue, what do the league do.LoidLucan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:18 pmWouldn't it be a great look for the NL if they expelled several clubs who said it was too risky for players and staff to go on without a proper testing regime and too risky to the financial wellbeing of the clubs to withdraw the grants that were seen as vital to their survival. And it is clearly a whole lot riskier now than it was a few months ago as the stats prove.
I think your right, I think the majority of fans wouldn't want their money back, but there would be a sizeable minority who wouldn't be very happy & sadly I think it would have an adverse effect on the BTB.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:27 pmWould any/ many fans want their money back. Think at this level and below the vast majority if not all fans regard the need of their club as being bigger than theirs.Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:23 pmIf the season is ended, what happens to ST holders & 500 club members. It will put the club in a very difficult position.
A more concerning issue may be club sponsors who haven't got what they paid for. Again at this level, I think most club sponsors would be likely to let the matter go.
Not sure about headline sponsors like Vanaram
I'm sure Chris Whitty, Patrick Valance and Matt Hancock would deem such a testing demand as being perfectly proper and reasonable in the appalling circumstances prevailing at the moment.spen666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:32 pmLoidLucan wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:18 pmWouldn't it be a great look for the NL if they expelled several clubs who said it was too risky for players and staff to go on without a proper testing regime and too risky to the financial wellbeing of the clubs to withdraw the grants that were seen as vital to their survival. And it is clearly a whole lot riskier now than it was a few months ago as the stats prove.
I think the thing that may cause the league to be suspended is the demand of clubs for testing. The cost of that is probably too high for the league to afford