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Kettering Town

Post by Darlopartisan » Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:56 pm

Are not playing again this season, unless grants issue resolved.
Making a brave stance, therefore the Chester game on Saturday is off.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by LoidLucan » Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:13 pm

The chips would really be down if several more clubs did the same. It's hard to disagree with what they've said over "broken promises" and refusing to put the club's future in jeopardy and would the NL really expel every club that adopted the same stance in the current climate?

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Re: Kettering Town

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:27 pm

poppyfield wrote:More or less sums it up.

http://www.ketteringtownfc.com/news/club-statement-3
Say no more, absolutely spot on.


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Re: Kettering Town

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:38 pm

Good statement.

It's crazy that most of us want the season to finish - crazy situation though.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by jjljks » Thu Feb 04, 2021 7:14 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:38 pm
Good statement.

It's crazy that most of us want the season to finish - crazy situation though.
Think you mean "most of them."
Respect to Kettering for standing up to the numpties in NL Management

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by LoidLucan » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:31 pm

Curzon Ashton now refusing to play.

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Re: Kettering Town

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by dfcdfcdfc » Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:47 pm

God I hate Fylde :twisted: :thumbdown:

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by quaker4life » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm

We are astounded that when prize money and an opportunity to progress in an FA competition is at stake, those Clubs deem it safe to compete. We strongly believe the picking and choosing of which fixtures to fulfil is a slap in the face of those fighting to continue. Clubs, such as ourselves, are doing everything in their power to overcome each obstacle that presents itself, while others aren’t.
It's a fair comment to be honest, if we are able to play in the FA Trophy on Saturday then surely it stands to reason we can play in the league as well?

Although I think the fate of the Trophy will be decided by that of the league, I said in another thread there was unlikely to be an al la carte menu where clubs pick and choose which games they play and nor should there be.

It's gotten beyond a joke now just knock it on the head and be done with it.
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Re: Kettering Town

Post by lo36789 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:16 pm

quaker4life wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:04 pm
We are astounded that when prize money and an opportunity to progress in an FA competition is at stake, those Clubs deem it safe to compete. We strongly believe the picking and choosing of which fixtures to fulfil is a slap in the face of those fighting to continue. Clubs, such as ourselves, are doing everything in their power to overcome each obstacle that presents itself, while others aren’t.
It's a fair comment to be honest, if we are able to play in the FA Trophy on Saturday then surely it stands to reason we can play in the league as well?

Although I think the fate of the Trophy will be decided by that of the league, I said in another thread there was unlikely to be an al la carte menu where clubs pick and choose which games they play and nor should there be.

It's gotten beyond a joke now just knock it on the head and be done with it.
Depends on the reason given.

Ultimately the trophy has prize money attached. That helps pay for testing and also covers costs for the game.

That doesn't exist for the next league fixture.

Billericay have taken an interesting approach. They have furloughed their contracted players and will fulfil games with u23s and non-contract players.

Assume they have calculated that with streaming revenues and residual season ticket revenues etc. that is what they have calculated they can function with.

Fans of other clubs have genuinely challenged that it damages the competition integrity of clubs have to weaken their squads to match their new budgets - I don't really know what the alternative is?
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Re: Kettering Town

Post by Old Git » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:17 pm

Sadly I feel that by playing Wealdstone on Saturday we are leaving ourselves wide open to accusations of hypocrisy. Not an easy decision to make but I think we should withdraw from the FA Trophy and support the stance made by Kettering. Playing on Saturday really undermines our argument. I am sure others may disagree but we look like we are not being consistent.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by LoidLucan » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:30 pm

Aside from the perceived rights and wrongs of individual clubs' stance in these terrible and chaotic times, Fylde's demand for tough, punitive action against fellow clubs who really only want to survive is just despicable. What an obnoxious twat that Haythornthwaite character really is. Plenty of money but no class whatsoever.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by JE93 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:47 pm

Old Git wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:17 pm
Sadly I feel that by playing Wealdstone on Saturday we are leaving ourselves wide open to accusations of hypocrisy. Not an easy decision to make but I think we should withdraw from the FA Trophy and support the stance made by Kettering. Playing on Saturday really undermines our argument. I am sure others may disagree but we look like we are not being consistent.
I'd agree but the problem is that the league hasn't come out and said that teams not wanting to play following voting for null and void won't be penalised for doing so. So at the moment there is no point withdrawing from the trophy if we're expected to play in the league on Tuesday. There would be no chance to furlough staff etc. We would have all the same costs (plus potentially and fines or costs from not playing) and no potential income from trophy tie or streaming. Until there is a result of the resolutions we have to carry on.

If the vote was settled and the season was to be null and voided then I'd completely support withdrawing from the Trophy and hibernating the club ASAP to leave us in the best possible position for next season.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:05 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:16 pm
Billericay have taken an interesting approach. They have furloughed their contracted players and will fulfil games with u23s and non-contract players.

Assume they have calculated that with streaming revenues and residual season ticket revenues etc. that is what they have calculated they can function with.
If this started happening in our league wouldn't York City just love it!
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by lo36789 » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:12 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:05 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 9:16 pm
Billericay have taken an interesting approach. They have furloughed their contracted players and will fulfil games with u23s and non-contract players.

Assume they have calculated that with streaming revenues and residual season ticket revenues etc. that is what they have calculated they can function with.
If this started happening in our league wouldn't York City just love it!
Depends who they have to play compared to others...

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by poppyfield » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:41 pm

To be honest how do we justify playing Saturday but not wanting the league to continue? Anyone.
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Re: Kettering Town

Post by en passant » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:41 pm

I don't recall seeing anything that justifies the comment in the Fylde statement that we plan to play in the Trophy but not in the league on Tuesday. As stated above, surely we are just doing what the league has asked us to do, which is fulfil our fixtures until the results of the votes are known. To not continue to play, which some clubs have chosen to do, leaves them open to penalties, which would be counter-productive to the cause of saving their clubs. We have voted to stop, but until that becomes the decision of the majority and is agreed to by the League, there is no inconsistency in our approach to playing on. This does not undermine our overall stance on the ability to complete the season without financial support. There is a whole world of difference in playing a few games more in the next week or two, as against trying to finance a season that may go on for another 4 or 5 months. As the grants finished in December most clubs that are funded in similar fashion to ourselves would probably be running on empty by now, as they have had to manage 6 weeks without income, so may well be at the end of any reserves they may have had. Darlington may be slightly better off in that we have had two cup runs that might enable a little more time to be given over to playing on whilst awaiting the results of the vote, but this does not undermine the basic facts of life that without a rich benefactor or proper no cost funding we cannot hope to keep doing this for the rest of this season.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by joejaques » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:06 am

en passant wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:41 pm
I don't recall seeing anything that justifies the comment in the Fylde statement that we plan to play in the Trophy but not in the league on Tuesday. As stated above, surely we are just doing what the league has asked us to do, which is fulfil our fixtures until the results of the votes are known. To not continue to play, which some clubs have chosen to do, leaves them open to penalties, which would be counter-productive to the cause of saving their clubs. We have voted to stop, but until that becomes the decision of the majority and is agreed to by the League, there is no inconsistency in our approach to playing on. This does not undermine our overall stance on the ability to complete the season without financial support. There is a whole world of difference in playing a few games more in the next week or two, as against trying to finance a season that may go on for another 4 or 5 months. As the grants finished in December most clubs that are funded in similar fashion to ourselves would probably be running on empty by now, as they have had to manage 6 weeks without income, so may well be at the end of any reserves they may have had. Darlington may be slightly better off in that we have had two cup runs that might enable a little more time to be given over to playing on whilst awaiting the results of the vote, but this does not undermine the basic facts of life that without a rich benefactor or proper no cost funding we cannot hope to keep doing this for the rest of this season.
Well put sir. Echoes my sentiments precisely, but probably more clearly and coherently than I would have managed. :roll:
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Re: Kettering Town

Post by jjljks » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:42 am

It is very brave of Kettering & this must put pressure on the rest of the clubs in NLN / NLS to look at their costs of playing fixtures in the 28 day voting period. The FA Trophy is a different competition, however may get called off due to waterlogged pitch rather than any "protest". This would add to the backlog of fixtures in our already overcrowded calendar. Hard to see how we could fit this in at all, thanks to NL's decision to start a season late whilst insisting that it should be completed before June. Personally, I am happy with us signing tthe letter & will continue to support our Board and the club no matter what.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by lo36789 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:33 am

poppyfield wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:41 pm
To be honest how do we justify playing Saturday but not wanting the league to continue? Anyone.
Our basis for the league is that we cannot afford to just incur losses for the rest of the season without income, and we want a testing regime implemented to decrease risk of transmission.

The Trophy provides a guaranteed windfall. We are able to use this to fund testing for the game and it also limits the financial implications.

Ive seen some saying that this is clearly just about money as if that is a problem. Has that ever been denied?

As others have said we've been told we have to carry on. We've said we don't think that is a financial sound idea and have requested the league is suspended until a sensible outcome is landed on - until that point we are doing as we are told despite the consequence.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by darlobaz791 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:54 am

poppyfield wrote:
Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:41 pm
To be honest how do we justify playing Saturday but not wanting the league to continue? Anyone.
Because we haven’t said we won’t play in the league just that we don’t want to. If there was a league game on Saturday we may well be playing. The league have said there would be ‘action’ for those who don’t play.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by spen666 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:01 am

jjljks wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:42 am
It is very brave of Kettering
The same Kettering that chose to play a friendly at Oxford City this midweek? They seem to have omitted any reference to that in their Road to Damascus Conversion to null and voiding season.

I'm not sure Kettering are a good example to uphold in view of this, even if I agree with null and voiding the season
& this must put pressure on the rest of the clubs in NLN / NLS to look at their costs of playing fixtures in the 28 day voting period. The FA Trophy is a different competition, however may get called off due to waterlogged pitch rather than any "protest". This would add to the backlog of fixtures in our already overcrowded calendar. Hard to see how we could fit this in at all, thanks to NL's decision to start a season late whilst insisting that it should be completed before June. Personally, I am happy with us signing tthe letter & will continue to support our Board and the club no matter what.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by andydarlo » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:11 am

Seems like TalkSport have opted to use Fylde statement and place us in their firing line
AFAIK though we have not said anything about not fulfilling league fixtures

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by dfcdfcdfc » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:41 am

This will be the same Fylde who wanted last season to be Null and void when they were about to be relegated :oops:

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by spen666 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:23 am

dfcdfcdfc wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:41 am
This will be the same Fylde who wanted last season to be Null and void when they were about to be relegated :oops:
Strange isn't it when this season they could be promoted?

The sooner they end the season the better.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:29 am

spen666 wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:01 am
The same Kettering that chose to play a friendly at Oxford City this midweek? They seem to have omitted any reference to that in their Road to Damascus Conversion to null and voiding season.
It will be the same Kettering, there is only one Kettering playing in our division. In this ever changing situation they are quite entitled to make decisions when they seem fit. Hell, they might even make another decision too based on the unpredictable and ill thought out movements of the league, the government and the pandemic.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by LoidLucan » Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:59 am

They probably felt playing one practice match wouldn't threaten their survival in the way that playing the rest of the season without income or with crippling loans would.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by spen666 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:07 pm

LoidLucan wrote:
Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:59 am
They probably felt playing one practice match wouldn't threaten their survival in the way that playing the rest of the season without income or with crippling loans would.
Why play the practice match- travelling to a club in NLS to play it and then less than 48 hours later refuse to play any games in the NLN.
They were happy to incur the costs of playing a meaningless friendly in the middle of a suspension of the league season

Seems a tad inconsistent.

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Re: Kettering Town

Post by LoidLucan » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:37 pm

You need to read their statement. The main thrust of it is the very real financial threat to their future if the league carries on without income or with crippling loans. You're making too much of a one-off fitness match requested by Oxford. It didn't threaten Kettering's future.

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