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Hazel

Post by darloed19 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 2:06 pm

According to echo Farsley and Scarborough are interested in him

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Re: Hazel

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm

Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.

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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival

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Re: Hazel

Post by Old Git » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:20 pm

It all depends if we can use the money from selling him to bring in another striker. It would be a mistake to sell Hazel without having a replacement lined up.

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Re: Hazel

Post by darloed19 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:27 pm

Id be happy if we offered him back to Whitby and get Sampson

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Re: Hazel

Post by LoidLucan » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:37 pm

I doubt we would land a replacement who had scored 19 goals in a season at this level.

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Re: Hazel

Post by bga » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:38 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Certainly a player who divides opinion. Not withstanding the fact that most agree he is not being played in his best position and given enough support, on the other side the coin it is clear that other teams have worked him out this season. One season wonder maybe? Never going to get 20 goals whatever team he plays in. Also his first touch and distribution, actually finding a Darlo player with his passes is a concern. Plus his half-hearted tackles, arguing with the Ref suggest that he might not be such a big loss after all he does leave AS LONG AS we replace him with someone better.

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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:45 pm

bga wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:38 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Certainly a player who divides opinion. Not withstanding the fact that most agree he is not being played in his best position and given enough support, on the other side the coin it is clear that other teams have worked him out this season. One season wonder maybe? Never going to get 20 goals whatever team he plays in. Also his first touch and distribution, actually finding a Darlo player with his passes is a concern. Plus his half-hearted tackles, arguing with the Ref suggest that he might not be such a big loss after all he does leave AS LONG AS we replace him with someone better.
His track record says he will always get goals.
Typical of Darlo fans this, I remember other strikers getting dogs abuse because they didn’t score enough despite having decent goal returns.

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Re: Hazel

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:49 pm

LoidLucan wrote:I doubt we would land a replacement who had scored 19 goals in a season at this level.
Would be crazy letting him go without a replacement that's at least as good, but good strikers at our level are like gold dust.Wouldn't sy no to Mark Beck mind !

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Re: Hazel

Post by bga » Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm

loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:45 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:38 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Certainly a player who divides opinion. Not withstanding the fact that most agree he is not being played in his best position and given enough support, on the other side the coin it is clear that other teams have worked him out this season. One season wonder maybe? Never going to get 20 goals whatever team he plays in. Also his first touch and distribution, actually finding a Darlo player with his passes is a concern. Plus his half-hearted tackles, arguing with the Ref suggest that he might not be such a big loss after all he does leave AS LONG AS we replace him with someone better.
His track record says he will always get goals.
Typical of Darlo fans this, I remember other strikers getting dogs abuse because they didn’t score enough despite having decent goal returns.
Is making comments about a players performance/contribution abuse? His track record is one full season at NLN level. See my last sentence so you wouldn't replace him with someone who could actually score more goals than him?

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Re: Hazel

Post by en passant » Sun Nov 12, 2023 5:57 pm

Two other teams in our league are reported to be interested in Jacob Hazel. But the wisdom in some quarters of our fan base is that he is not interested, is lazy, and has been found out by other sides in our league so as to nullify his threat after one good season. Makes you wonder why any side at our level hasn't taken heed of these obvious flaws. Must be mad.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Quakerlad » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:18 pm

Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Spot on.
The grief he is currently getting is crazy. He is wanted by other clubs because he is a natural goal scorer with a great track record.
Honestly, how many actual chances have we created for him recently? Bring in a physical centre forward alongside him and watch him go.
Would be Gowlings worse decision if lets him go, and he’s made some bad ones!!

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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:34 pm

bga wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:51 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:45 pm
bga wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:38 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Certainly a player who divides opinion. Not withstanding the fact that most agree he is not being played in his best position and given enough support, on the other side the coin it is clear that other teams have worked him out this season. One season wonder maybe? Never going to get 20 goals whatever team he plays in. Also his first touch and distribution, actually finding a Darlo player with his passes is a concern. Plus his half-hearted tackles, arguing with the Ref suggest that he might not be such a big loss after all he does leave AS LONG AS we replace him with someone better.
His track record says he will always get goals.
Typical of Darlo fans this, I remember other strikers getting dogs abuse because they didn’t score enough despite having decent goal returns.
Is making comments about a players performance/contribution abuse? His track record is one full season at NLN level. See my last sentence so you wouldn't replace him with someone who could actually score more goals than him?
Suggest you read my post again, I said “other strikers getting dogs abuse”. I didn’t not accuse you of abusing Hazel.
He will score goals wherever he goes, his record suggests this, if you play to his strengths, which we haven’t done for a good few months.

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Re: Hazel

Post by LoidLucan » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:51 pm

His overall stats of 82 goals in 168 league and cup games does seem to suggest we'd be crackers to say farewell.

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Re: Hazel

Post by CrazyDarlo » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:55 pm

Quakerlad wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:18 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Spot on.
The grief he is currently getting is crazy. He is wanted by other clubs because he is a natural goal scorer with a great track record.
Honestly, how many actual chances have we created for him recently? Bring in a physical centre forward alongside him and watch him go.
Would be Gowlings worse decision if lets him go, and he’s made some bad ones!!
Hazel is the best goal scorer in the squad and in an ideal world we would bring in someone to support him and not replace him. However, strikers are expensive we may not have the resources to do that.

What we cannot do is what we’ve done since February. Continue to try Hazel as a 9, Nelson as a 9 or both of them up together because it simply hasn’t worked.

If he is allowed to leave, that decision will ultimately be judged on the quality of his replacement.

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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:18 pm

Imagine the pressure on the new lad, replacing a player who got over 20 goals last season. If he doesn’t hit the ground running then just imagine the reaction.
This could be another major bad move by Gowling if it’s true.

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Re: Hazel

Post by lo36789 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:22 pm

Seems a weird situation at the moment any rotation that Gowling does or the moment a player is missing from the starting XI they are destined for an exit.

I don't know if Hazel will have endeared himself to Gowling as a high intensity striker who wins the ball back up high up the pitch. Lets be honest he is a complete passenger when it comes to that if you play it a yard either side of him he can't be bothered to move to get it - instead just moans - but he clearly can score when he is given enough opportunities to do so...

Hard to imagine we'd be able to replace his goals during the season - but does he create a problem for JG as if you you are a man down pressing up top then it creates the gaps in between your press which is where you get punished.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Yarblockos » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 pm

loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Building a side around him? I think you mean that unless he has a very good side around him he is a waste of space, and we can't wait a year to put together side just so Hazel can actually score goals. Unless the plan is to wait until we are in the NPL. A big man alongside Hazel won't make him able to control a ball or lay it off to a team mate.

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Re: Hazel

Post by DavidCurriesMullet » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm

Since time immemorial Darlo fans have needed a scapegoat. Hazel is now it. He goes, we get a new striker who doesn't get 20 goals either, and suddenly it'll be another stick to beat Gowling with.

I would guarantee that, if Hazel went to Scarborough or Farsley, he would score more goals this season than whoever ends up our top scorer.

Post above is tosh. He scored 20 plus goals last season unless that was a dream. He has a 1 in 2 goal ratio in his career. Pretty good for someone you believe can't do any of the basics of football correctly.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Yarblockos » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:53 pm

DavidCurriesMullet wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm
Since time immemorial Darlo fans have needed a scapegoat. Hazel is now it. He goes, we get a new striker who doesn't get 20 goals either, and suddenly it'll be another stick to beat Gowling with.

I would guarantee that, if Hazel went to Scarborough or Farsley, he would score more goals this season than whoever ends up our top scorer.

Post above is tosh. He scored 20 plus goals last season unless that was a dream. He has a 1 in 2 goal ratio in his career. Pretty good for someone you believe can't do any of the basics of football correctly.
Great, we just need to reassemble last year's team and Hazel will be able to score goals again.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Old Git » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:00 pm

I was a big Jacob Hazel fan last year, but he hasn’t been the same player since Beck left in January of this year. Having said that he is not the only player to disappoint in recent times.
I heard a rumour yesterday that we are bringing in a new striker this week, so presumably we need to sell him to finance a move for a new goalscorer.
Is it a risk ? Yes of course it is, but playing devils advocate, we did score 3 goals yesterday without him on the pitch, so maybe it isn’t the end of the world if he moves on. However, if he does go and he isn’t replaced with someone who gets a lot of goals, Josh is going to take some criticism for sure.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Geordie Quaker » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:09 pm

For all his failings Hazel has proven he can get goals and for that reason alone I'd be loathed to move him on.

However, if JG intends on continuing with a single striker (which I wish he wouldn't) then Hazel will continue to struggle for goals. Both he and Nelson are simply not cut out for the single striker role - the ball simply does not stick.

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Re: Hazel

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:20 pm

loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Loanstar, you seem to have a huge amount of patience regarding Hazel - but very little patience regarding Gowling.

Not looking for ruck ;) just pointing it out.
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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:51 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:20 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Loanstar, you seem to have a huge amount of patience regarding Hazel - but very little patience regarding Gowling.

Not looking for ruck ;) just pointing it out.
Possibly because Hazel has proved himself capable both for us and other teams whereas Gowling got sacked for being mediocre.

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Re: Hazel

Post by loan_star » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:53 pm

Yarblockos wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Building a side around him? I think you mean that unless he has a very good side around him he is a waste of space, and we can't wait a year to put together side just so Hazel can actually score goals. Unless the plan is to wait until we are in the NPL. A big man alongside Hazel won't make him able to control a ball or lay it off to a team mate.
His track record is one of scoring goals in the right formation. One up front isn’t his game and never will be.
Only a fool can’t see this.

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Re: Hazel

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:59 pm

loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:51 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:20 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Loanstar, you seem to have a huge amount of patience regarding Hazel - but very little patience regarding Gowling.

Not looking for ruck ;) just pointing it out.
Possibly because Hazel has proved himself capable both for us and other teams whereas Gowling got sacked for being mediocre.
Nearly all managers have been sacked at one time or another, it goes with the job - even Alex Ferguson got the sack.
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Re: Hazel

Post by CrazyDarlo » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:10 pm

loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:53 pm
Yarblockos wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Building a side around him? I think you mean that unless he has a very good side around him he is a waste of space, and we can't wait a year to put together side just so Hazel can actually score goals. Unless the plan is to wait until we are in the NPL. A big man alongside Hazel won't make him able to control a ball or lay it off to a team mate.
His track record is one of scoring goals in the right formation. One up front isn’t his game and never will be.
Only a fool can’t see this.
Agreed but Hazel needs to be able to adapt his game to fit into the style and formation that Gowling wants to play. Rather than Gowling needs to change his style and formation to best accommodate Hazel. If he can’t do that then perhaps he’s not the right fit for us and a move would be best for all parties.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:24 pm

Yarblockos wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:53 pm
DavidCurriesMullet wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:39 pm
Since time immemorial Darlo fans have needed a scapegoat. Hazel is now it. He goes, we get a new striker who doesn't get 20 goals either, and suddenly it'll be another stick to beat Gowling with.

I would guarantee that, if Hazel went to Scarborough or Farsley, he would score more goals this season than whoever ends up our top scorer.

Post above is tosh. He scored 20 plus goals last season unless that was a dream. He has a 1 in 2 goal ratio in his career. Pretty good for someone you believe can't do any of the basics of football correctly.
Great, we just need to reassemble last year's team and Hazel will be able to score goals again.
Or just reassemble all of the other teams he played in previously and scored 20-30 goals a season.

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Re: Hazel

Post by DarloAL » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:30 pm

Where has this idea come from that Hazel "needs to play off a big man"? if you look at his goalscoring stats from last season he scored 9 of his 19 league goals after Mark Beck left. And he could have had another one if he hadn't gifted Nelson the penalty at Fylde.

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Re: Hazel

Post by Darlofan97 » Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:37 pm

CrazyDarlo wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 9:10 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:53 pm
Yarblockos wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:23 pm
loan_star wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 4:11 pm
Ghost_Of_1883 wrote:
Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:46 pm
Massive mistake to let go the only player at our club who is capable of scoring 20 goals a season.

It beggars belief if we sell him.
Should be building a side around him, not alienating him while trying to flog him to a rival
Building a side around him? I think you mean that unless he has a very good side around him he is a waste of space, and we can't wait a year to put together side just so Hazel can actually score goals. Unless the plan is to wait until we are in the NPL. A big man alongside Hazel won't make him able to control a ball or lay it off to a team mate.
His track record is one of scoring goals in the right formation. One up front isn’t his game and never will be.
Only a fool can’t see this.
Agreed but Hazel needs to be able to adapt his game to fit into the style and formation that Gowling wants to play. Rather than Gowling needs to change his style and formation to best accommodate Hazel. If he can’t do that then perhaps he’s not the right fit for us and a move would be best for all parties.
Hazel isn’t going to adapt his game at his age.

That isn’t a choice not to, by the way. The way which he plays is simply locked in.

We should be looking to develop a style/system around him. I have rarely seen a centre-forward at this level capable of consistently generating chances on goal in & around the penalty box with his style/movement.

Selling him would carry a huge risk.

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