Gowling MUST go!

[PhilD]

A very, very dark day to be a Darlo fan. In a season of s***e we have managed to find a new low.

No if’s, no but’s, no excuses, no ‘let’s give him time’. Let’s cut our losses, find someone with ideas and connections to find people who want to play for Darlo.

We are now one of the favourites to be relegated. I am so dismayed.

[loan_star]

Even the signing of Asante isn’t going to save his job. It’s turned into a massive embarrassment.
Last time I remember us conceding 8 in a game was a cup match at Watford back in the 80s but at least they were 3 divisions higher than us!

[Darlobill]

Enough is enough, JG nice guy but not what we need at the moment I just hope the board have a plan and talking to potential managers from the the NE/Yorkshire region with the drive passion and bollocks to get us out this s***, before it’s to late.

[QUAKERMAN2]

Even the signing of Asante isn’t going to save his job. It’s turned into a massive embarrassment.
Last time I remember us conceding 8 in a game was a cup match at Watford back in the 80s but at least they were 3 divisions higher than us!

That's the most gutless performance I can EVER remember from a Darlo side in over 50 years supporting them, absolutely zero team spirit from this team tonight.That was not even a training session for Chorley.Never been so embarrassed as a Darlo fan, we will be laughed at tonight.Sorry Gowling, no coming back from this....just go.

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[Quaker85]

He's taking US down, got to go


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[Darlo_CR]

The only reason Asante is here is because of Gowling, for that reason alone I think he’s going to stay.. Asante hasn’t come cheap.

[quaker4life]

The only reason Asante is here is because of Gowling, for that reason alone I think he’s going to stay.. Asante hasn’t come cheap.

It would be highly foolish to pin all your hopes on one player.

[Darlo_CR]

The only reason Asante is here is because of Gowling, for that reason alone I think he’s going to stay.. Asante hasn’t come cheap.

It would be highly foolish to pin all your hopes on one player.

After tonight, that’s literally all we can hope for.

[quaker4life]

After tonight, that’s literally all we can hope for.

In that case, we're as as good as gone.

[Quakers2009]

The parallels between both JG & TW appointments are insane - this is all very Tommy Wright esque.

Previously failed at an NLN club, preferred formation of 3-5-2, same interview characteristics, based two hours away from training, a mix-matched assistant appointment, signings from afar, experienced players removed from the squad, a poor first ten games, and now we've thrown the cheque book at a proven NLN goalscorer four months into the season to save us from relegation.

I'd love to know why we didn't formally interview Lakeland.

[PierremontQuaker03]

Pinning our hopes on a striker that’s not played since April is not good. For me the squad and team is fractured they are not playing for each other. There is zero team spirit and without that you can talk all you want about tactics but if there is no fight then you will achieve nothing. We knew the squad was poor this season but it’s obvious the players are not playing for the manager. We need JG to go and get someone who has a vast amount of experience as this is a big rebuild job. We can blame the manager but a lot of the players need to go as well I’ve had enough of excuses, 8-0 is the final straw.


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[QUAKERMAN2]

Pinning our hopes on a striker that’s not played since April is not good. For me the squad and team is fractured they are not playing for each other. There is zero team spirit and without that you can talk all you want about tactics but if there is no fight then you will achieve nothing. We knew the squad was poor this season but it’s obvious the players are not playing for the manager. We need JG to go and get someone who has a vast amount of experience as this is a big rebuild job. We can blame the manager but a lot of the players need to go as well I’ve had enough of excuses, 8-0 is the final straw.


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This 100%.

I have just witnessed the worst Darlo performance I can ever remember and I don't say this lightly.

What is so obvious is that these players are simply not playing for Gowling, he has lost the dressing room and that is much more of a concern than his awful signings.

If he has any pride or feelings for the club then he should do the honourable thing and resign, hopefully today.
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[banktopp]

Pinning our hopes on a striker that’s not played since April is not good. For me the squad and team is fractured they are not playing for each other. There is zero team spirit and without that you can talk all you want about tactics but if there is no fight then you will achieve nothing. We knew the squad was poor this season but it’s obvious the players are not playing for the manager. We need JG to go and get someone who has a vast amount of experience as this is a big rebuild job. We can blame the manager but a lot of the players need to go as well I’ve had enough of excuses, 8-0 is the final straw.


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This 100%.

I have just witnessed the worst Darlo performance I can ever remember and I don't say this lightly.

What is so obvious is that these players are simply not playing for Gowling, he has lost the dressing room and that is much more of a concern than his awful signings.

If he has any pride or feelings for the club then he should do the honourable thing and resign, hopefully today.
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So he has lost the dressing room, AA lost the dressing room, perhaps the dressing room is where the problem lies.
Hatfield apart they are a bunch of half hearted failures, no pride, no motivation and no respect for the fans.
For too long we have had managers who are "nice". Just like center backs we need a big nasty b****** for manager.
I don't think Jonno and Morley would have accepted our recent performances.

[EDJOHNS]

OK I only watched last night on a poor TV stream and was not there in person.
I was at our biggest-ever loss at Donny in 1964.
At least back then we had the excuse that the side had been decimated the week before v Stockport having just sold probably our best forward,(France), to Stockport 2 days before that game. and we had a few new guys who had not even trained with the team.
What I saw last night could not be compared to that massacre. It was far worse.
What we witnessed in 1964 was a number of strangers being picked off at will.
What we witnessed last night was a lot of well-paid "players" who did not give a damn and were not prepared to run their guts out.
To me, having seen all the re-election campaigns of the 70's when,(believe me), we had some poor players along with a few very good ones, I have NEVER seen a Darlo side that did not care before, and that is what hurts me today.

[LoidLucan]

It's becoming clear that we've made a huge mistake with this appointment. There are alarming signs that there are major problems behind the scenes with organisation, spirit and leadership and that has been clear in most of the games, not just in last night's disastrous performance.

It is going to take something special to get out of this terrible situation with the club feeling like it's in disarray under JG. So much seems wrong and many fans don't think the manager is up to it.

We probably don't have the money for a third manager of the season after this disastrous appointment and I think most agree that relegation looks very likely.

Maybe the best solution, both financially and in terms of trying to inject something different and some unity, fight and spirit into it, would be to hand the reins back to Hatfield, Platt and Lawlor until the end of the season. Last time they steered us past a tricky Cup tie and were very unlucky with the defeat at Bishop's Stortford.

I honestly don't think we would have seen anything like last night's disastrous mess under them. It may well not work come the season's end but I think we might have a fighting chance. It may also have a unifying effect on players and fans because under JG the crowds will tumble.

It maybe isn't ideal but it could be a realistic and affordable way forward that's in the best interests of the club. I feel the longer this regime continues the more damage will be caused from a lot of perspectives. It's a big throw of the dice but, on balance, one worth taking.

[MB86DFC]

It's becoming clear that we've made a huge mistake with this appointment. There are alarming signs that there are major problems behind the scenes with organisation, spirit and leadership and that has been clear in most of the games, not just in last night's disastrous performance.

It is going to take something special to get out of this terrible situation with the club feeling like it's in disarray under JG. So much seems wrong and many fans don't think the manager is up to it.

We probably don't have the money for a third manager of the season after this disastrous appointment and I think most agree that relegation looks very likely.

Maybe the best solution, both financially and in terms of trying to inject something different and some unity, fight and spirit into it, would be to hand the reins back to Hatfield, Platt and Lawlor until the end of the season. Last time they steered us past a tricky Cup tie and were very unlucky with the defeat at Bishop's Stortford.

I honestly don't think we would have seen anything like last night's disastrous mess under them. It may not work come the season's end but I think we might have a fighting chance. It may also have a unifying effect on players and fans because under JG the crowds will tumble.

It maybe isn't ideal but it could be a realistic and affordable way forward that's in the best interests of the club. I feel the longer this regime continues the more damage will be caused from a lot of perspectives. It's a big throw of the dice but, on balance, one worth taking.

I agree that JG needs to go but management by committee is not the way forward. The squad is bloated, unbalanced, and poor; I don’t want Hatfield (our only passionate player) being dragged down by managing them.

Without an immediate and positive change in management we are going down. There is no doubt about it. How we go down is vitally important as it will set the groundwork for next season. We can’t have another manager who stumbles through the season and has no fan backing for next year, we need one that galvanises the fan base and shows promise, regardless on where we finish the season. I can accept relegation as long as I see longer term improvement.

For me, the board need to take responsibility and find the cash to pay JG and DR off. As fans we always put our hands in our pockets, perhaps it’s time they put some money in to right this mistake.

[lo36789]

I don't think Jonno and Morley would have accepted our recent performances.

And do what, exactly, to reject it. Be shouty at grown adults?

I was speaking to someone at Bolton the other day. He was recounting how Sam Allardyce when he was there would never shout at players. He would always talk to them with complete professionalism, when Gary Megson replaced him and tried to do shouting all the players just ignored him.

They would just sit on their phones while he ranted and then laughed about him as soon as they left the changing room.

[Old Git]

I fully accept that it was a shocking result, but I don’t think Josh should go, because there have been some green shoots of recovery in recent games, and to start again for the third time this season, when we are only in November would be daft.
Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong last night. Early goal conceded and man sent off inside 5 minutes, 2 players injured in the first half, an own goal and a penalty conceded in the second half as well. None of that excuses the defeat, but it does help to explain the magnitude of it.
There were some encouraging signs at Farsley and again against Chester that the tide was beginning to turn and certainly no lack of effort or commitment from the players in those two games. Last night was unacceptable and embarrassing, but we need to keep calm and carry on.
Personally I am not too bothered about Saturday’s game, I would be focused on the two home league games next week. Against Scunthorpe we may as well give some game time to the likes off Lees ,Sukar, Mustoe, Whinfield, Moke, Harker and Simms, and give some of the other players a rest. With a growing injury list and Nelson facing a suspension we need to have our strongest team available for Warrington and Rushall. I still believe if we can get 4 or more points from those 2 games we can start looking up the table and we will have a platform to build on for the rest of the season.

[MB86DFC]

I don't think Jonno and Morley would have accepted our recent performances.

And do what, exactly, to reject it. Be shouty at grown adults?

I was speaking to someone at Bolton the other day. He was recounting how Sam Allardyce when he was there would never shout at players. He would always talk to them with complete professionalism, when Gary Megson replaced him and tried to do shouting all the players just ignored him.

They would just sit on their phones while he ranted and then laughed about him as soon as they left the changing room.

You can give people a bollocking without shouting

[lo36789]

Telling people off.

Sorry I know what I'd do at work if someone 'told me off'.

"Bye"

[eddie-rowles]

I fully accept that it was a shocking result, but I don’t think Josh should go, because there have been some green shoots of recovery in recent games, and to start again for the third time this season, when we are only in November would be daft.
Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong last night. Early goal conceded and man sent off inside 5 minutes, 2 players injured in the first half, an own goal and a penalty conceded in the second half as well. None of that excuses the defeat, but it does help to explain the magnitude of it.
There were some encouraging signs at Farsley and again against Chester that the tide was beginning to turn and certainly no lack of effort or commitment from the players in those two games. Last night was unacceptable and embarrassing, but we need to keep calm and carry on.
Personally I am not too bothered about Saturday’s game, I would be focused on the two home league games next week. Against Scunthorpe we may as well give some game time to the likes off Lees ,Sukar, Mustoe, Whinfield, Moke, Harker and Simms, and give some of the other players a rest. With a growing injury list and Nelson facing a suspension we need to have our strongest team available for Warrington and Rushall. I still believe if we can get 4 or more points from those 2 games we can start looking up the table and we will have a platform to build on for the rest of the season.

what does that do for player confidence or team building ok guys were giving our main team( i have a list of Barnsley/Grimsby kids to take your place and they dont answer back) a rest I don't give a s*** about Fa trophy (one of our greatest days in my memory) or you because you haven't found another club yet?

[MB86DFC]

Telling people off.

Sorry I know what I'd do at work if someone 'told me off'.

"Bye"

Great way to prove my point. We want players with grit and fight, not ones who run away / hide when criticised or disciplined.

[al_quaker]

What is so obvious is that these players are simply not playing for Gowling, he has lost the dressing room and that is much more of a concern than his awful signings.

It was so obvious they were doing exactly that though on Saturday. Strange how things can change around so dramatically in a few days.

Not entirely sure where we go from here - expected defeat, unacceptable performance.

[lo36789]

Telling people off.

Sorry I know what I'd do at work if someone 'told me off'.

"Bye"

Great way to prove my point. We want players with grit and fight, not ones who run away / hide when criticised or disciplined.

Nonsense. People perform when they have clarity, capability and motivation to do so.

If we assume the players have the capability.

The question is about providing clarity and then motivation - and that is understanding individual motivators - just because someone is not motivated by being told off and being told to "be better next time" says nothing about grit and fight.

[Spyman]

I fully accept that it was a shocking result, but I don’t think Josh should go, because there have been some green shoots of recovery in recent games, and to start again for the third time this season, when we are only in November would be daft.
Everything that could have gone wrong, did go wrong last night. Early goal conceded and man sent off inside 5 minutes, 2 players injured in the first half, an own goal and a penalty conceded in the second half as well. None of that excuses the defeat, but it does help to explain the magnitude of it.
There were some encouraging signs at Farsley and again against Chester that the tide was beginning to turn and certainly no lack of effort or commitment from the players in those two games. Last night was unacceptable and embarrassing, but we need to keep calm and carry on.
Personally I am not too bothered about Saturday’s game, I would be focused on the two home league games next week. Against Scunthorpe we may as well give some game time to the likes off Lees ,Sukar, Mustoe, Whinfield, Moke, Harker and Simms, and give some of the other players a rest. With a growing injury list and Nelson facing a suspension we need to have our strongest team available for Warrington and Rushall. I still believe if we can get 4 or more points from those 2 games we can start looking up the table and we will have a platform to build on for the rest of the season.

I agree with this.

The nature of last nights result is obviously beyond disappointing, but I'd have bitten your hand off for 3 points from Chester and Chorley, and we've got 3 points. Probably 3 more than any of us expected.

Does the way we capitulated last night point to a deeper problem? Quite possibly, but it might not - after all, playing most of the game with 10 men was always going to make life harder than it should'v ebeen. Teams get battered from time to time, it doesn't condemn them to relegation. We made a very promising signing yesterday and last night's result doesn't change that. The next couple of games do look a little "easier" and if we can pick up another 3 points from those two and then get Asante into the side then we won't be too far adrift.

[PierremontQuaker03]

I'm only guessing but I don't think it will cost a lot to get rid of JG - I think he will be on a monthly contract as we are still paying for AA - which is one of the reasons why he was given the job in the first place - it was his opportunity to impress while we pay the remainder of AA's contract. The issue is how to we fund a replacement who will accept those terms. Surely we need a firefighter in now, contract until the end of the season - with the objective of keeping us up!

[theoriginalfatcat]

I think it all hinges on Tuesday and the following Saturday. The two home games against opposition we should be able to match.

I'm not bothered about the cup game, to me it's an unwanted distraction.

[darlo reborn]

Would be typical of us to win saturday and lose tuesday

[Beano]

I'm going to get pillared for this but, as bad as last night was, I don't think that result in isolation is enough to sack him.

We have taken 2 wins recently and looked decent against Chester in the first half before they figured us out.

We're battling at the bottom so we're going to lose games and winning half of our games would be enough to stay up given Farsley stayed up with 50 points last year. We've got 28 games left and if we averaged 1.5 points from those we'd add 42 to the 14 we already have to give us 56 overall.

If we keep picking up wins every other game, as much as it pains to say it, I can live with the occasional battering from a strong team. However, if we have a run of 3-4 games without a win JG is finished.

[loan_star]

I'm going to get pillared for this but, as bad as last night was, I don't think that result in isolation is enough to sack him.

We have taken 2 wins recently and looked decent against Chester in the first half before they figured us out.

We're battling at the bottom so we're going to lose games and winning half of our games would be enough to stay up given Farsley stayed up with 50 points last year. We've got 28 games left and if we averaged 1.5 points from those we'd add 42 to the 14 we already have to give us 56 overall.

If we keep picking up wins every other game, as much as it pains to say it, I can live with the occasional battering from a strong team. However, if we have a run of 3-4 games without a win JG is finished.

And therein lies the problem, he picks up a win now and again but we lose the games in between, including more potential batterings as you say.
The win gets him another 3 or 4 games which we lose 2 or 3 of before we sneak another win. Leaves even less time for a new man to put it right.