General Election 2017

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri May 05, 2017 6:12 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:So ALL workers will get a big pay rise thus making everything we buy or do more expensive - probably negating the benefits of getting the pay rise in the first place.

Maybe ??
Indeed. Wage rises breed inflation...the labour market operates in supply v demand as any other...

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Fri May 05, 2017 7:21 pm

If you increase the minimum wage to say £10 per hour. Loads of people would be made redundant as employers couldn't afford to pay that level of wages. Also everybody who is already above the current minimum wage would want pay rises to be above the new minimum wage. So inflation would take off.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri May 05, 2017 8:49 pm

FWIW living wage foundation say living wage is £8.50.

Interesting if you removed all individual income tax and NI contribution up to current NMW then they would be pretty much taking the same net pay as someone would earn on the 'real' living wage...

For some reason that isn't the direction the Living Wage Foundation seem to want to lobby it is all about shaming businesses paying the mandatory minimum wage.

If you did lift NI contribution thresholds and personal allowance thresholds there would automatically be lifted accordingly as they would get a tax/NI benefit...

Obviously there would be a decrease in tax revenues but I guess if the real living wage is truly the real living wage there would be fair argument to remove a significant number of in work benefits perhaps...

That was completely off topic but it was something I was intrigued enough about earlier when I saw another "we just want business to pay fairly for a fair days work" status and I thought 'you are just moaney and annoying'.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by joejaques » Mon May 08, 2017 10:47 am

Doesn't anyone think that it's good to have a REAL choice in policies between Tories & Labour? No matter what you think of Corbyn's politics, when Bliar took over Labour, you couldn't get a cigarette paper between their policies & Tory. :roll:
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon May 08, 2017 1:08 pm

You always need an effective opposition, unfortunately under Corbyn Labour aren't delivering. Perhaps after the election and Corbyn's gone, the they may elect someone to bring Labour out of the cold.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_H » Mon May 08, 2017 4:05 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:You always need an effective opposition, unfortunately under Corbyn Labour aren't delivering. Perhaps after the election and Corbyn's gone, the they may elect someone to bring Labour out of the cold.
Andy Burnham would be my choice, though it seems Labour are determined to stick with the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott until the bitter end irrespective of the wider picture.

Corbyn was actually here (in York) today, and now apparently there'll be a Question Time featuring him and May through here too. We must be more marginal than I thought.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon May 08, 2017 6:17 pm

It's strange that the marginal seats people are talking about, are the one's were Labour have a small majority, rather than the seats were the Conservatives have a small majority.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue May 09, 2017 9:24 am

Latest odds to win the most seats at the general election.

Conservatives 1/50
Labour 16/1

Don't think there will be many takers at those odds.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue May 09, 2017 9:39 am

Didn't realise that you could bet on which party will win each constituency.

Conservatives are odds on to win Darlington, Bishop Auckland, Hartlepool, Middlesbrough and even Sedgefield.

Wow that would cause an earthquake in politics, if Labour lose some of those seats. Wonder what Tony Blair is thinking?

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Tue May 09, 2017 11:04 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:Wonder what Tony Blair is thinking?
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu May 11, 2017 5:13 pm

Labour's leaked manifesto pledge to remove student loans, could be another nail in Jenny Chapman's chances of being re-elected, as hundreds of staff work at Student Loans and their jobs will probably be lost if Labour are elected.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Hawkeye » Thu May 11, 2017 7:59 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:Labour's leaked manifesto pledge to remove student loans, could be another nail in Jenny Chapman's chances of being re-elected, as hundreds of staff work at Student Loans and their jobs will probably be lost if Labour are elected.
I must have missed that one. I've seen they're pledging to scrap tuition fees, but where has scrapping student loans come from? Students will surely still need maintenance loans regardless of tuition fees?

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu May 11, 2017 11:13 pm

Sorry I haven't read the manifesto, but I perhaps wrongly assumed that student loans would be coming to an end.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_H » Fri May 12, 2017 12:07 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:Sorry I haven't read the manifesto, but I perhaps wrongly assumed that student loans would be coming to an end.
Tuition fees and student loans are different.

Tuition fees are paid to the Uni to teach them, student loans are the money they're given to live on and buy study materials (in theory at least). However all of this is grouped into one lump sum to be paid back when they earn above the threshold amount.

The fees would end, but the loans wouldn't and would still need to be calculated and awarded. There might be less work, but not enough for mass redundancies I wouldn't imagine.

It's more where Diane Abbott expects to find the £7 billion from to fund it that's the issue.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri May 12, 2017 8:00 am

Darlo_H wrote:It's more where Diane Abbott expects to find the £7 billion from to fund it that's the issue.
I'll be honest that is the least of my question marks over Diane Abbott.

Not a lot in the manifesto can't really get behind. The only bits I think I am dubious about are how tax cuts in welfare are reversed. The problem Corbyn has is not his policies it's the people around him.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by BUSHEAD » Fri May 12, 2017 11:14 am

It would be near impossible to remove tuition fees . Just saying.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_H » Fri May 12, 2017 11:23 am

lo36789 wrote:
Darlo_H wrote:It's more where Diane Abbott expects to find the £7 billion from to fund it that's the issue.
I'll be honest that is the least of my question marks over Diane Abbott.
True, though by her standards the fact that you said that now means you're a woman hating racist.

Still find it odd that Conservatives are favourites to win Darlo though, I always thought that you could pin a red rosette to pretty much anything and the 'me Dad voted Labour' crowd would push them into power.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by BUSHEAD » Sat May 13, 2017 12:15 am

See the PM has been visiting Darlo today ( well Friday ) .
The Tory bastardd are defo going to give Labour a run for its money in Darlo.
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon May 15, 2017 11:38 am

Conservatives still 3/1 odds on to win Darlington, Labour are 9/4

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by BUSHEAD » Tue May 16, 2017 6:34 am

where are these odds available Pete ?
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue May 16, 2017 8:57 am

The odds have changed even more in favour of the Tories winning, as they are now 1/4 and Labour are 5/2. Click the link below.

http://sports.williamhill.com/bet/en-gb ... inner.html

Other local constituency odds are.

----------------------------Conservatives--------Labour
B.Auckland---------------4/11------------------15/8
Hartlepool----------------2/5--------------------2/1
Sedgefield----------------8/11------------------Evens
Stockton Sth-------------1/50------------------12/1
Stockton Nth-------------13/8------------------4/9
Middlesbrough-----------14/1------------------1/66
Middlesbrough Sth------1/9--------------------5/1
Richmond----------------1/200-----------------33/1

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Tue May 16, 2017 10:55 am

Commentary I'm seeing is all over the place. Tory lead for sure but suggestion that polls are moving in Labour favour following manifesto 'leak'. The polls were so far out last time out though it's hard to take them at anything but with a pinch of salt. The odds you would assume are based on polls plus betting patterns.

I'm expecting Tory landslide but live in hope that it won't be.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue May 16, 2017 1:21 pm

The polls at the last general election, understated the tory vote, so it could be even worse for Labour than the polls are already indicating.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Tue May 16, 2017 1:28 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:The polls at the last general election, understated the tory vote, so it could be even worse for Labour than the polls are already indicating.
or they could be understating Labour this time...

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by joejaques » Thu May 18, 2017 12:56 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote: Wonder what Tony Blair is thinking?
About the same as when we invaded Iraq, feck all. :roll:
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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu May 18, 2017 8:27 pm

Bit bizarre that the Conservatives launch their manifesto today in Halifax, bet local plod were really happy about that!!

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon May 22, 2017 8:42 am

Labour closing the gap, with just over 2 weeks to go, in one opinion poll the Conservative lead is under 10% for the first time.

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Fri Jun 09, 2017 11:27 am

All feels very chaotic right now...

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:21 am

My Darlo-pete highlights from this thread!!

D.P. "Good call by May to call a snap election, the only downside is that Labour won't keep Corbyn after they lose the election."

Wrong and wrong. May's decision to call an unnecessary election was a monumental blunder for her, and possibly us too! Corbyn is now stronger, and who is actually in charge? What has been sorted out?

D.P. "This election could be the most one sided elections for many a year. All the marginal seats being talked about are labour seats not conservative one's that labour need to win to win the election"

Out of the 20 marginal seats that May visited, she lost 18 of them. Talk about the kiss of death!

D.P. "Labour's problems can be shown by my daughter-in-law. She is eligible to vote for the first time and hates Theresa May, blames her for everything that she perceives is going wrong with the country. But she won't vote at the General Election, as she doesn't think Labour has any chance,"

Whether you agree with Corbyn or not - his policies were attractive to the younger voter and this time round a lot more of them made the effort to vote. At this election the young people HAVE made a difference. It doesn't take much effort to vote BTW, and I think young people should vote - as long as they have a little think first :)

D.P. "... the Conservatives will win the election hands down, as the opposition is all over the place."

It turned out that May's performance and decision making were 'all over the place'.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

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Re: General Election 2017

Post by lo36789 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:01 pm

Pete is oddly quiet on the subject...

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