Norm_D_Ploom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:11 am
Fatty eats roadkill wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:06 pm
Norm_D_Ploom wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2019 1:45 pm
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Old Git wrote:[quote=Darlo_Pete post_id=456161 time=<a href="tel:1576531074">1576531074</a> user_id=83]
I do think that young adults that are beginning there working lives, will have to work until there mid 75's before they can draw a state pension.
Well heaven help them! How can you expect someone doing a manual job to work until 75 years and 6 months old? It’s OK for fat arsed pen pushers possibly but all it means for a lot of manual workers is they will become unemployed in their 60s due to health problems and then have to draw sickness benefits .
They’re not expecting everyone to work until they’re 75; they’re expecting many of you to die beforehand so they don’t have to pay
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Exactly this and now they are going to make it illegal for me to strike. For the hard of understanding that means my employer can do what ever it wants to me. When they’ve done that, they’ll start putting more and more in the ‘essential services” bracket. Once the Unions are crushed there’s no one left to look out for people. But hey, as long as Brexit gets done eh because people are politically illiterate and like to hear a soundbite.
If by striking you impact the service you are supposed to be providing to the general public it's a good thing that your right has been taken away hasn't it ?
It doesn't mean that you can't have an industrial dispute, it doesn't mean that you can't work to rule, it doesn't mean that you can't have union representatives and protest to / negotiate with the employer/companies/ government departments.
What it does mean is that for example the trains will have to run a minimum service so everyone else can get to work.
It should mean that the schools won't be able to be shut so that the teachers do what they are paid for (by the taxpayers!)
I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
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Working to rule is a form of unlawful industrial action which can bankrupt not just a union, even if they say don’t do it, but personally hold the person working to rule liable too for any company losses.
There are more than the trains to get to work.
I’m so glad that you think removing a fundamental human right to withdraw your Labour after jumping through all the hoops of the most draconian anti trade union law in the western world is fine, just remember this because when I lose that right, then there will always be someone else lined up to lose it, and lose it they will, and so it will perpetuate till there are no rights at all.
Further, how can you have industrial action if there is not the capability to strike as a last resort. You cannot. Therefore there is no point whatsoever. In reality you become a paid slave at the mercies of your employers every whim. Why would an employer listen when they know there is no comeback from their workforce? Instead of saying “I don’t have so you shouldn’t” the view should be “they have so I will fight for what they have, just like they did.”
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If you don't like your job, change it.
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I love my job, where have I said any different?
Be alright though, I can afford to survive this Government. Can many others?
Btw, it takes 3 years to train for my job, more than it takes to become a pilot. But hey ho, we are just uneducated and easily replaced. Why do you think there are massive cancellations on the railways? It’s not the staff, it’s the underfunding of staffing levels. They are trying to make overtime compulsory in law and not have days off, coupled to the fact that lorry drivers have more stringent rest breaks and driving hours than train drivers. Really safe eh?