Darlo Uncovered

The latest odds on the Darlington seat are the Conservatives 8/11 & Labour evens, I'm surprised you can get such good odds for a Conservative win.

Is it visible that Tories are going after the Darlington seat btw? Assume Brexit party have fielded someone in Darlington?

I don't even think I've had a leaflet about this GE yet? Probably not worth any of the other parties time / cost to do so.

I did read the website of the Brexit party candidate for my constituency he has a lovely website which appears to have been made by a primary school student and keeps switching between 1st person and 3rd person it is quite comical.

I had a Labour canvasser round this evening & when I outlined their brexit policy, the bloke couldn't come up with a credible policy. He said that lots of people have been on about it.

You outlined their policy and he couldn't come up with a policy? Lost me there.

I told him what their policy was & he couldn't defend it.

Darlo_Pete wrote:I told him what their policy was & he couldn't defend it.

Far too much of a gamble to put labour in, wouldn’t trust them with a bargepole, look no further than Diane Abbott who is clueless, cannot even do simple arithematic.




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I voted Labour at every General Election since 1979 but not this time.Corbyn is an idealistic idiot who would be clueless as PM and his policies would ruin the country. I voted for Brexit and Labour in general and Jenny Chapman in particular have failed to implement this democratic decision. I do feel a bit like a traitor in a way but I believe the Labour Party has betrayed me and others like me and deserves to be thrashed in the election.

QUAKERMAN2 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:14 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:I told him what their policy was & he couldn't defend it.

Far too much of a gamble to put labour in, wouldn’t trust them with a bargepole, look no further than Diane Abbott who is clueless, cannot even do simple arithematic.




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I agree she'd be a liability & the thought that she could be foreign secretary is really scary. Labour has gone even more extreme & I don't think they have a clue that this makes them unelectable. Someone should tell them that nationalisation didn't work in the past & it won't in the future. I think they'll get hammered at the polls.

I think it really depends on the turnout.

If labour can get those who don't usually vote out then it will be close - there is a reason Tories aren't as visibly encouraging people to register to vote.

There is no real evidence this will change though so don't expect any surprises.

I'm not sure Diane Abbott in one of the great offices of state is any scarier than the likes of Dominic Raab. Has there ever been such a dearth of high quality politicians on the front benches of the two main parties?

No.

Henley wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:36 am

I’ve not read all of the stuff above - I’ll re-visit later but it looks
like H1987 is a prick . . .

Anyway, all I wanted to say is that for the first time in my life I’m genuinely envious of ‘Artlepool.

They’ve got Richard Tice running for MP there and he is a genuinely good bloke. Unfortunately, Darlington missed out by not being a God-forsaken s*** hole.

Thanks for your views.

Imagine being envious of a parachuted in, multi millionaire grifter, who has nothing to do with the town, and hasn't done an honest days work in his life. A privately educated, jobs for the boys property developer from Surrey. You think he'll stand up for northern workers?

Perhaps you should move to Hartlepool and spare us of your stupidity Halfwit.

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Mon Nov 25, 2019 9:19 am

Henley wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:36 am

I’ve not read all of the stuff above - I’ll re-visit later but it looks
like H1987 is a prick . . .

Anyway, all I wanted to say is that for the first time in my life I’m genuinely envious of ‘Artlepool.

They’ve got Richard Tice running for MP there and he is a genuinely good bloke. Unfortunately, Darlington missed out by not being a God-forsaken s*** hole.

Thanks for your views.

Imagine being envious of a parachuted in, multi millionaire grifter, who has nothing to do with the town, and hasn't done an honest days work in his life. A privately educated, jobs for the boys property developer from Surrey. You think he'll stand up for northern workers?

Perhaps you should move to Hartlepool and spare us of your stupidity Halfwit.

Yes, they’re far better with this cretin

https://order-order.com/people/mike-hill/

Just one question , how many times did Boris Johnson vote against BREXIT so stopping the process from going ahead. Now all of a sudden he is the BREXIT saviour.

trampass wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:47 am

Just one question , how many times did Boris Johnson vote against BREXIT so stopping the process from going ahead. Now all of a sudden he is the BREXIT saviour.

Think he needed the help of a few others who voted against as well.
Funny thing, EVERY Tory candidate now votes 100% to leave as part of their being selected.

EDJOHNS wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:07 pm

trampass wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:47 am

Just one question , how many times did Boris Johnson vote against BREXIT so stopping the process from going ahead. Now all of a sudden he is the BREXIT saviour.

Think he needed the help of a few others who voted against as well.
Funny thing, EVERY Tory candidate now votes 100% to leave as part of their being selected.

Still can't get my head round Corbyn. A Brexiteer 40 years before the term was coined, and now he's neutral (or is that Neutered?)

joejaques wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:11 pm

EDJOHNS wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:07 pm

trampass wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 12:47 am

Just one question , how many times did Boris Johnson vote against BREXIT so stopping the process from going ahead. Now all of a sudden he is the BREXIT saviour.

Think he needed the help of a few others who voted against as well.
Funny thing, EVERY Tory candidate now votes 100% to leave as part of their being selected.

Still can't get my head round Corbyn. A Brexiteer 40 years before the term was coined, and now he's neutral (or is that Neutered?)

Labour under him are simply unelectable.
You can always raise an eyebrow at all parties at election time, but the simple question, "where is the money coming from" shows up the entire manifesto for what it is.
At least while the tories may be playing with numbers, ie, 50,000 more nurses,(they actually have a point in a way on this 1), they are not simply pulling numbers out of thin air as giveaways.
Would love to hear of any country where socialism has ever worked 100%

I'm not an advocate of socialism, but when has any political/economic system or theory ever worked 100%? There are always winners and losers unfortunately.

Vokuhila wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:55 pm

I'm not an advocate of socialism, but when has any political/economic system or theory ever worked 100%? There are always winners and losers unfortunately.

I would agree with that, and it is always the guy at the bottom of the ladder who comes off worst. The whole thing was made worse when we changed from a £sd pay rise to a % pay rise.
The problem with socialism is that they want to spend someone else's money. When someone puts in a 7-8-10 figure number to give people work thus a wage, why tax him to the point he starts to think "Sod this I will move my money abroad and get more simply by investing".
It is the same with this £10 an hour minimum wage. OK, sounds good if you are on less, but a small business with say 3-4 employees may just be stopped from taking another person on board because they simply can't manage £10 from what the company earned, thus they can't fulfill orders thus go bust, thus 3 lose a wage when if they stook to £7.50 they could have taken on the 4th employee they needed. (Those figures are simply for example sake. Not saying the minimum rate should be £7.50). Surely it would be better to give them the £7.50 from the company and the government top it up to £10 rather than the government pay the entire dole money, and they actually earn nothing.

EDJOHNS wrote:
It is the same with this £10 an hour minimum wage. OK, sounds good if you are on less, but a small business with say 3-4 employees may just be stopped from taking another person on board because they simply can't manage £10 from what the company earned, thus they can't fulfill orders thus go bust, thus 3 lose a wage when if they stook to £7.50 they could have taken on the 4th employee they needed. (Those figures are simply for example sake. Not saying the minimum rate should be £7.50). Surely it would be better to give them the £7.50 from the company and the government top it up to £10 rather than the government pay the entire dole money, and they actually earn nothing.

The problem with this is. Why pay 7.50? Why not 6 or 5? And if one company does it, then their competitors must also do it otherwise their products will be too expensive. So we end up with no-one in that sector making a living wage, except the owners, and all empoyees dependent on top-up benefits.


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OHDFC wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:52 pm

EDJOHNS wrote:
It is the same with this £10 an hour minimum wage. OK, sounds good if you are on less, but a small business with say 3-4 employees may just be stopped from taking another person on board because they simply can't manage £10 from what the company earned, thus they can't fulfill orders thus go bust, thus 3 lose a wage when if they stook to £7.50 they could have taken on the 4th employee they needed. (Those figures are simply for example sake. Not saying the minimum rate should be £7.50). Surely it would be better to give them the £7.50 from the company and the government top it up to £10 rather than the government pay the entire dole money, and they actually earn nothing.

The problem with this is. Why pay 7.50? Why not 6 or 5? And if one company does it, then their competitors must also do it otherwise their products will be too expensive. So we end up with no-one in that sector making a living wage, except the owners, and all empoyees dependent on top-up benefits.


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As the minimum is something like £8.20 at the moment,(long time retired so not sure), that takes away part of your argument as I did not suggest reducing it and said I was using those figures as an eg only.
So you are really telling me that you would put 3 people out of work altogether rather than have the government top the figure up if the company simply can't afford it?
Sorry but that sounds totally labour thinking and nonsensical to me.

Odds shortening on a Conservative win in Darlington, as the best odds you can get on a Conservative victory is 3/4.

Interesting that the BBC North-East political commentator says that Johnson has visited the north east 3 times as has Farage. But Swinson & Corbyn have not been to the north east once, looks like Labour & the Lib-Dems have given up on the north east. I expect Conservatives to win Labour seats in the region, including Darlington & Bishop Auckland.

For once Pete I think you may be right. Think it says more about how poor Labour are than anything positive about the Tories though.

The Lib Dems aren’t going to win seats here so it’s almost pointless them sending their leadership.

But it’s very surprising Labour wouldn’t. No wonder people feel disconnected, as if the Labour Party doesn’t represent them. There’s three tight marginals in the North East: Darlington, Bishop and Stockton South. There’s not really any reason for the senior figures like Corbyn and McDonnell not to visit.

They’re either deliberately being kept away because it would have a detrimental impact, or they simply don’t care about the North East.

Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:07 pm

The Lib Dems aren’t going to win seats here so it’s almost pointless them sending their leadership.

But it’s very surprising Labour wouldn’t. No wonder people feel disconnected, as if the Labour Party doesn’t represent them. There’s three tight marginals in the North East: Darlington, Bishop and Stockton South. There’s not really any reason for the senior figures like Corbyn and McDonnell not to visit.

They’re either deliberately being kept away because it would have a detrimental impact, or they simply don’t care about the North East.

For too long they have took the north east for granted, even when we had a PM and cabinet members in our region.
Its taken a Tory mayor to start doing things the local labour lot could have got on with years ago. And considering the bulk of the region voted leave and our so called representatives are saying we didnt know what we were voting for and treating people like they are ignorant then then they deserve a good pummeling at the polls

loan_star wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm

Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:07 pm

The Lib Dems aren’t going to win seats here so it’s almost pointless them sending their leadership.

But it’s very surprising Labour wouldn’t. No wonder people feel disconnected, as if the Labour Party doesn’t represent them. There’s three tight marginals in the North East: Darlington, Bishop and Stockton South. There’s not really any reason for the senior figures like Corbyn and McDonnell not to visit.

They’re either deliberately being kept away because it would have a detrimental impact, or they simply don’t care about the North East.

For too long they have took the north east for granted, even when we had a PM and cabinet members in our region.
Its taken a Tory mayor to start doing things the local labour lot could have got on with years ago. And considering the bulk of the region voted leave and our so called representatives are saying we didnt know what we were voting for and treating people like they are ignorant then then they deserve a good pummeling at the polls

loan_star wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:31 pm

Darlogramps wrote: ↑

Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:07 pm

The Lib Dems aren’t going to win seats here so it’s almost pointless them sending their leadership.

But it’s very surprising Labour wouldn’t. No wonder people feel disconnected, as if the Labour Party doesn’t represent them. There’s three tight marginals in the North East: Darlington, Bishop and Stockton South. There’s not really any reason for the senior figures like Corbyn and McDonnell not to visit.

They’re either deliberately being kept away because it would have a detrimental impact, or they simply don’t care about the North East.

For too long they have took the north east for granted, even when we had a PM and cabinet members in our region.
Its taken a Tory mayor to start doing things the local labour lot could have got on with years ago. And considering the bulk of the region voted leave and our so called representatives are saying we didnt know what we were voting for and treating people like they are ignorant then then they deserve a good pummeling at the polls

So far I have had the labour candidate at my door.
I asked where the money is coming from that they are going to spend. "We will borrow it." was his answer.
I said that has never worked before why does he think it will now?
He only wanted to introduce himself and sorry but no time to stay longer.

Green turned up
I asked why they are ignoring 17.4 million and going against a democratic vote.
No answer.

Lib Dem turned up.
Same question.
Same result.

So far Guy Opperman tory minister has not turned up in the area at all and not heard from any minions.
Have a number of questions I want to ask him.

People may or may not agree, but with those 4 choices I totally intend to mark on my paper, "None of the above are fit to govern".

I have always believed it is a DUTY to vote. Some friends have said that is a waste as the vote won't be counted. (Actually they are counted), but I simply can't, with a clear conscience, vote for any of the people on offer to me.

OH FOR PROPORTIONAL REPRESENTATION.

Proportional representation would be a disaster, as no party would ever gain a majority to govern. Coalitions just mean compromise & nothing meaningful ever gets done. Look at Belgium, I think their government comprises about 7 parties, a constitutional nightmare. First past the post should be kept.

Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:02 am

Proportional representation would be a disaster, as no party would ever gain a majority to govern. Coalitions just mean compromise & nothing meaningful ever gets done. Look at Belgium, I think their government comprises about 7 parties, a constitutional nightmare. First past the post should be kept.

PR doesn't necessarily mean nothing meaningful would get done - a majority of developed nations use PR, and to suggest that nothing meaningul gets done in those countries is nonsense.

Darlo_Pete wrote: ↑

Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:02 am

Proportional representation would be a disaster, as no party would ever gain a majority to govern. Coalitions just mean compromise & nothing meaningful ever gets done. Look at Belgium, I think their government comprises about 7 parties, a constitutional nightmare. First past the post should be kept.

Again, have to disagree.
No 1 faction ever gets over 50% of the countries backing. I know a lot more people who would vote if we ran with pr as they would feel they were being listened to.
I am actually a perfect example in this election. As I said the other day, I simply can't vote for any of my 4 choices, yet not going and voting is not an option morally as I believe voting is a duty not a right.
I am going to vote, knowing I am going to spoil my paper. That upsets me quite greatly, yet if we had pr I would not be voting for a person I don't believe it but for the bigger picture round the country.