Darlington FC V South Shields Match Thread
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The only positives from yesterday were that the pitch looked better and the crowd was OK. But the performance was unbelievably inept. The players, barring a couple, looked like they couldn't be bothered, which I'm sure they were. It begs the question: why did the play so poorly?
Beck/Gillies/Syers look a shadow of the players they were last season. Last year they were up there in the top tier of conference north players. This season they look, on the whole, anonymous. I have some sympathy for Beck with the service he's getting, but even then he could be doing more. Marrs is playing worse, Ferguson seems to forget how to cross a ball if he's playing LB, Turnbull looks out of sorts. The list goes on. These players haven't become bad players. There's some who simply aren't up to this level (for which there's no shame in), but most of them are. They're clearly utterly bereft of confidence and direction. So this is where Gray has to step in and prove his worth as a manager. If he wants to bring a couple of new players in then fine, but it must be within the budget he has been set.
Shields on paper are 2 divisions below us, but in reality they aren't. They're probably a top end Evo Prem side minimum, and at the moment we're playing like a bottom half conference north side, so in reality there's probably not much between the teams. But there's no excuse for yesterdays 'performance'.
Beck/Gillies/Syers look a shadow of the players they were last season. Last year they were up there in the top tier of conference north players. This season they look, on the whole, anonymous. I have some sympathy for Beck with the service he's getting, but even then he could be doing more. Marrs is playing worse, Ferguson seems to forget how to cross a ball if he's playing LB, Turnbull looks out of sorts. The list goes on. These players haven't become bad players. There's some who simply aren't up to this level (for which there's no shame in), but most of them are. They're clearly utterly bereft of confidence and direction. So this is where Gray has to step in and prove his worth as a manager. If he wants to bring a couple of new players in then fine, but it must be within the budget he has been set.
Shields on paper are 2 divisions below us, but in reality they aren't. They're probably a top end Evo Prem side minimum, and at the moment we're playing like a bottom half conference north side, so in reality there's probably not much between the teams. But there's no excuse for yesterdays 'performance'.
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When you have your 2 centre backs playing so far apart for long periods of the game, you're going to have problems against any side.
Whether that's tactics or (more likely) players switching off, i'm not sure..
Whether that's tactics or (more likely) players switching off, i'm not sure..
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Vodka_Vic wrote: Again, Gray comparing us with Harrogate and Salford in interview is insubordinate and does not help. Desperation.
I wish Gray would stop doing this. It's jealousy.
It was alright for him (and us) when we were steam rolling through the lower leagues, and he was constantly lauded as being a great manager.
I'm sure we heard him bellowing "hit it to Becky - hit it to Becky" near the end of the second half, surely he's got more to offer than this?
And why do our players look so unfit now?
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Pinched from an earlier post.
It was clear that losing yet another defender to injury was never going to help the cause, but each injury the team has sustained has led to wholesale changes that have caused a major upheaval in other parts of the team. We have had no consistency of team membership or roles.
This sums up the problem in our play/tactics its happened all to often, and when you look at the bench there was no need for it, Vaulks replaces Collins, Saunders replaces Cartman.
It was clear that losing yet another defender to injury was never going to help the cause, but each injury the team has sustained has led to wholesale changes that have caused a major upheaval in other parts of the team. We have had no consistency of team membership or roles.
This sums up the problem in our play/tactics its happened all to often, and when you look at the bench there was no need for it, Vaulks replaces Collins, Saunders replaces Cartman.
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Pumping the ball up to a target man, i.e. Beck, isn't a bad tactic in itself but you need another striker gambling on the flick ons and an attacking midfielder to be another outlet. Then when the opposition inevitably try to mark the target man out of the game you need to use the width to get crosses in. This isn't complicated.
There were times in the 2nd half where we had 3 players stood on the left touch line (in effect one of our players was marked by another of our players rather than moving into space), one of them being Beck. Even if we did manage to get the ball in the box there's nobody there to get in the end of it. There's a lot to learn from yesterday but I still think Beck is the best player in our squad and he is someone who has the potential to be sold to a higher level.
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There were times in the 2nd half where we had 3 players stood on the left touch line (in effect one of our players was marked by another of our players rather than moving into space), one of them being Beck. Even if we did manage to get the ball in the box there's nobody there to get in the end of it. There's a lot to learn from yesterday but I still think Beck is the best player in our squad and he is someone who has the potential to be sold to a higher level.
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Re: Darlington FC V South Shields Match Thread
cos there overtraining that's why we have so many injuries, Collins, Mars, syers ,Beck, then portas and Burgess too much to soon.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Vodka_Vic wrote: Again, Gray comparing us with Harrogate and Salford in interview is insubordinate and does not help. Desperation.
I wish Gray would stop doing this. It's jealousy.
It was alright for him (and us) when we were steam rolling through the lower leagues, and he was constantly lauded as being a great manager.
I'm sure we heard him bellowing "hit it to Becky - hit it to Becky" near the end of the second half, surely he's got more to offer than this?
And why do our players look so unfit now?
Put the blame on the new fitness coach why we need him I don't know what do Atkinson,Greegan, Bell do.
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Can never understand why we need a goalkeeping coach at our level, how can Bell in all honesty coach Bartlett who was coaching at the Boro anyway?.Money wasted IMO.
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Thought some of the football South Shields was excellent, we can't just say it was us playing poorly that gave us yesterday's result.
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Beck won't be sold to a higher level. He has never done anything other than last season, certainly at a higher level, and I don't think he'll match that again. He's too laboured for a higher level, and you have to set your whole game up around him or he's a passenger. There's very few sides would do that. If only Graeme Armstrong had been 7 or 8 years younger. A far better centre forward for me.liddle_4_ever wrote:Pumping the ball up to a target man, i.e. Beck, isn't a bad tactic in itself but you need another striker gambling on the flick ons and an attacking midfielder to be another outlet. Then when the opposition inevitably try to mark the target man out of the game you need to use the width to get crosses in. This isn't complicated.
There were times in the 2nd half where we had 3 players stood on the left touch line (in effect one of our players was marked by another of our players rather than moving into space), one of them being Beck. Even if we did manage to get the ball in the box there's nobody there to get in the end of it. There's a lot to learn from yesterday but I still think Beck is the best player in our squad and he is someone who has the potential to be sold to a higher level.
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You don't need to build a team around Beck but that's what we have chosen to do. He's much more than a big lump up front. He has a good touch, makes decent runs and is (usually) motivated and dependable. It just hasn't come off for him this season. Yes he still has things to learn. When we are poor he tries to help out by drifting into midfield or out wide when we need him in the centre, but it wouldn't take much coaching for this to improve.
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Sorry, he's a big lump up front for me. Most players at this level have a good touch - see any South Shields player for evidence.
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Funny HALIFAX fans was saying the same about Tom Denton after 12 games last season seems to be doing ok now in league above
Becks a better player all round just carrying an injury at the moment passed fitness tests last couple of games hopefully get a rest for a couple of weeks after next week unless someone tries to bring a fixture forward
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You obviously been watching a different Beck then, Mark Beck has a very good touch when the ball isn't aimed at his head.HarryCharltonsCat wrote:Sorry, he's a big lump up front for me. Most players at this level have a good touch - see any South Shields player for evidence.
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I didn't say he didn't have a good touch. However, it's almost a given at this level.
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In terms of touch, see Caton. Christ.
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Shields have got york at home. Newcastle benfield at home to kidderminster.
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Oh well - frankly would have expected (and not been overly upset) to have lost that one anyway. The main loss is the £6k from this round.LoidLucan wrote:Shields have got york at home. Newcastle benfield at home to kidderminster.
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We'd also have got a good gate at home to York.lo36789 wrote:Oh well - frankly would have expected (and not been overly upset) to have lost that one anyway. The main loss is the £6k from this round.LoidLucan wrote:Shields have got york at home. Newcastle benfield at home to kidderminster.
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When you see the names of some of the clubs in the cup it just seems so galling to be sat yet again with our noses pressed against the glass.
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I suppose - I am being glass not quite empty about this.Spyman wrote:We'd also have got a good gate at home to York.lo36789 wrote:Oh well - frankly would have expected (and not been overly upset) to have lost that one anyway. The main loss is the £6k from this round.LoidLucan wrote:Shields have got york at home. Newcastle benfield at home to kidderminster.
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Just two cup wins and we would have pocketed £12,000 with gate money on top... and then it shoots up... stop it, madness lies this way!
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Yep, the likes of Shildon (to name one example) regularly go on cup runs, whilst we get knocked out at the first attempt every single time.LoidLucan wrote:When you see the names of some of the clubs in the cup it just seems so galling to be sat yet again with our noses pressed against the glass.
It's just not good enough.
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Quakerz wrote:Yep, the likes of Shildon (to name one example) regularly go on cup runs, whilst we get knocked out at the first attempt every single time.LoidLucan wrote:When you see the names of some of the clubs in the cup it just seems so galling to be sat yet again with our noses pressed against the glass.
It's just not good enough.
I notice in the Programme notes that the club has a Psychologist, a Mr Darren Sutton.
Perhaps he could rejig the minds of the management team - to enable them to get the players to compete in cup competitions.
Another wasted opportunity, Grrrrrrrrrrrr............
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