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Teams in National League North for next season

Post by DARLODAH » Mon May 13, 2019 7:26 pm

When are the teams in our league for next season, announced?
With 4 'southerly' based teams being relegated from the National league, I suspect there will be some re-alignment of the north / south divide ?

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by super_les_mcjannet » Mon May 13, 2019 7:41 pm

Should be announced tomorrow apparently.

We should be getting Farsley Celtic, Kings Lynn, Kettering Town, Gloucester City & Oxford City if the rumours/expectations are correct.

Braintree were mooted but seems the rumours reckon Oxford City will hit the North as opposed to Braintree.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Darlo_Pete » Mon May 13, 2019 9:19 pm

It's absolutely bonkers that Oxford City will be in the North. At least the exiles living in the sarf won't have far too travel to watch us play.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Mon May 13, 2019 9:41 pm

Bishops Stortford were in the northern section a few years ago

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by biccynana » Mon May 13, 2019 10:11 pm

bigdavethemaddog wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 9:41 pm
Bishops Stortford were in the northern section a few years ago
Teeny bit further north. In fact, Oxford is further south than Braintree, Gloucester, or B Stortford, They could move St Albans, Chelmsford, Hemel Hempstead, or even Billericay to NLN and the team wouldn't be travelling as far south as if they go to Oxford.

Not that a place's relative northerliness or southerliness necessarily has any bearing on the ease of getting there, of course. Oxford's probably easier to get to from Darlo than Braintree is.
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Beano » Tue May 14, 2019 6:18 am

I can’t imagine Oxford City are particularly happy either.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by lo36789 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:24 am

To be honest it looks pretty sensible when you look at the map.

Oxford stretches the division a little more south but not too far east at the same time.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by H1987 » Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 am

At least Oxford is an easy trip from London. But so was Braintree, so. Meh.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Tue May 14, 2019 10:23 am

H1987 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 am
At least Oxford is an easy trip from London. But so was Braintree, so. Meh.

Ground at Oxford looks naff and miles from the station (mind you so is the Kassam Stadium)

Personally I would prefer Braintree & St Albans to Oxford & Gloucester, but can see why the FA are likely to choose the well known Northern towns of Oxford & Gloucester
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by MKDarlo » Tue May 14, 2019 11:23 am

Oxford from Brackley is hardly a massive boundary stretch - personally i will be delighted if we get Oxford City and Kettering. If only we could get Hemel and St Albans. My own personal home in time for tea league!

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by H1987 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:32 pm

spen666 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 10:23 am
H1987 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 am
At least Oxford is an easy trip from London. But so was Braintree, so. Meh.

Ground at Oxford looks naff and miles from the station (mind you so is the Kassam Stadium)

Personally I would prefer Braintree & St Albans to Oxford & Gloucester, but can see why the FA are likely to choose the well known Northern towns of Oxford & Gloucester
I had a look myself after posting this, and a little baffled how that's up to standards. I thought there was a minimum capacity, and 2,000 was below it?

Looks a decent enough little ground though. Small stands close to the pitch. It'll do me. Didn't think to look at the distance from the station mind.

Gloucester apparently play at a place called Jubilee Park in Evesham?? It looks absolutely tiny.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Yarblockos » Tue May 14, 2019 12:35 pm

Isn't there a rule that you don't have to move divisions within 3 years of your last move? Worcester were given such an exemption preventing them being moved back to the North a few years ago. Gloucester went from North to South in 2017-18, so they might be within their rights to refuse to move.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by JE93 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:48 pm

Fair few new grounds next season. None of them particularly spectacular mind. Shame Kettering no longer play at Rockingham Road that was a proper hodge podge little non league ground. Gloucester have applied to move back to a rebuilt Meadow Park at some point next season (so new ground of sorts for them watched us beat them 2-1 at Whaddon Road, Cheltenham in our first season in this league). And obviously York will be moving to their Monks Cross ground at some point next year.

On a selfish note happy to get some of these southern teams. As a London exile been stuck with Brackley and Leamington for a couple of seasons. Now add to that Kettering, Kings Lynn, Gloucester and Oxford. Great for me :thumbup:

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by polam » Tue May 14, 2019 12:52 pm

Yarblockos wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 12:35 pm
Isn't there a rule that you don't have to move divisions within 3 years of your last move? Worcester were given such an exemption preventing them being moved back to the North a few years ago. Gloucester went from North to South in 2017-18, so they might be within their rights to refuse to move.
Glos are apparently happy to move North; they have approved plans to move grounds from Evesham back to Meadow Park in the City. Well placed for games v Hereford, Kiddy, etc. as well as Oxford (although if Gateshead don't sort themselves out quickly Oxford could in theory end up back South).

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Quaker85 » Tue May 14, 2019 1:03 pm

spen666 wrote:
H1987 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 am
At least Oxford is an easy trip from London. But so was Braintree, so. Meh.

Ground at Oxford looks naff and miles from the station (mind you so is the Kassam Stadium)

Personally I would prefer Braintree & St Albans to Oxford & Gloucester, but can see why the FA are likely to choose the well known Northern towns of Oxford & Gloucester

I suspect you would have preferred to be in the National League Image


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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Tue May 14, 2019 2:10 pm

Quaker85 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 1:03 pm
spen666 wrote:
H1987 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 9:15 am
At least Oxford is an easy trip from London. But so was Braintree, so. Meh.

Ground at Oxford looks naff and miles from the station (mind you so is the Kassam Stadium)

Personally I would prefer Braintree & St Albans to Oxford & Gloucester, but can see why the FA are likely to choose the well known Northern towns of Oxford & Gloucester

I suspect you would have preferred to be in the National League Image


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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by poppyfield » Tue May 14, 2019 3:28 pm

National League North 2019/20 season with ground capacities. Just waiting on the final 2 teams.


Alfreton Town . 3,600.
Altrincham . 6,085.
Blyth Spartans. 4,435.
Boston United. 6,643 .
Brackley Town. 3,500 .
Bradford (Park Avenue). 3,500.
Chester. 6,500.
Curzon Ashton. 4,000.
Darlington. 3,300 .
Farsley Celtic. 3,900.
Guiseley. 4,200.
Hereford . 4,913 .
Kettering Town. 2,400.
Kidderminster Harriers. 6,238.
King's Lynn Town. 5,733.
Leamington. 2,300.
Southport. 6,008.
Spennymoor Town. 3,000.
Telford United. 6300.
York City. 8,256.
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Tue May 14, 2019 3:44 pm

poppyfield wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 3:28 pm
National League North 2019/20 season with ground capacities. Just waiting on the final 2 teams.


Alfreton Town . 3,600.
Altrincham . 6,085.
Blyth Spartans. 4,435.
Boston United. 6,643 .
Brackley Town. 3,500 .
Bradford (Park Avenue). 3,500.
Chester. 6,500.
Curzon Ashton. 4,000.
Darlington. 3,300 .
Farsley Celtic. 3,900.
Guiseley. 4,200.
Hereford . 4,913 .
Kettering Town. 2,400.
Kidderminster Harriers. 6,238.
King's Lynn Town. 5,733.
Leamington. 2,300.
Southport. 6,008.
Spennymoor Town. 6,000.
Telford United. 6300.
York City. 8,256.

not sure where you got the ground capacities from, but Spennymoor isn't 6000, more like half that.

Also Kettering & Leamington need to expand capacity to 3000 by March 31
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by shildonlad » Tue May 14, 2019 5:50 pm

Could not imagine 6k fitting in the brewery field
I may not live in the north east anymore but i still support the north east teams

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue May 14, 2019 6:07 pm

shildonlad wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 5:50 pm
Could not imagine 6k fitting in the brewery field
Agreed, the place looks crowded when there is under 2000 in.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by poppyfield » Tue May 14, 2019 7:10 pm

poppyfield wrote:
Tue May 14, 2019 3:28 pm
National League North 2019/20 season with ground capacities. Just waiting on the final 2 teams.


Alfreton Town . 3,600.
Altrincham . 6,085.
Blyth Spartans. 4,435.
Boston United. 6,643 .
Brackley Town. 3,500 .
Bradford (Park Avenue). 3,500.
Chester. 6,500.
Curzon Ashton. 4,000.
Darlington. 3,300 .
Farsley Celtic. 3,900.
Guiseley. 4,200.
Hereford . 4,913 .
Kettering Town. 2,400.
Kidderminster Harriers. 6,238.
King's Lynn Town. 5,733.
Leamington. 2,300.
Southport. 6,008.
Spennymoor Town. 3,000.
Telford United. 6300.
York City. 8,256.
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Alfie » Wed May 15, 2019 4:15 pm

According to the Braintree twitter thing they expect a decision on who goes into NLN/NLS to be made at the league AGM on 8 June.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Wed May 15, 2019 6:05 pm

Alfie wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 4:15 pm
According to the Braintree twitter thing they expect a decision on who goes into NLN/NLS to be made at the league AGM on 8 June.
Gloucester city ( and other sources) say decision will be announced on 18 May 2019

http://www.gloucestercityafc.com/north-or-south/

Also the NLP say it will have details on Sunday
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Darlogramps » Wed May 15, 2019 6:41 pm

The correct answer is, it's both.

We'll see the provisional allocations released this weekend, with everything formally ratified at the AGM next month.

Given both Gateshead and Ebbsfleet are both an absolute mess, there's every chance things could change after the provisional allocations are released.
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Wed May 15, 2019 6:56 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:41 pm
....

Given both Gateshead and Ebbsfleet are both an absolute mess, there's every chance things could change after the provisional allocations are released.

Would be very unfair on a team if they are told they were in say NLN and start recruiting players based accordingly and then get switched to the NLS or vice versa between Sunday and the AGM. They will have to restart recruitment again and by then all best players will have been signed up
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by Quaker85 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:05 pm

spen666 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:41 pm
....

Given both Gateshead and Ebbsfleet are both an absolute mess, there's every chance things could change after the provisional allocations are released.

Would be very unfair on a team if they are told they were in say NLN and start recruiting players based accordingly and then get switched to the NLS or vice versa between Sunday and the AGM. They will have to restart recruitment again and by then all best players will have been signed up
That’s exactly what the FA did to a step 5 club down south last season. They moved them across country due to the fall out of a resignation higher up and they lost all the players and management team they’d just appointed. Can’t remember the name of the club.


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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by H1987 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:17 pm

I'm not sure what the implications are if Ebbsfleet, Gateshead or both go pop? I can't see them being moved down just a division. If they go, you'd expect it'll be anything new will be a phoenix club, and there will be reprieves for relegated sides? Either that, or they play the conference as a 22 team league for a year, and an extra promotion slot for a north & south side next year.

I have a funny feeling both will compete next year. Gateshead fans need to get behind the existing entity and try to force the owners out - who i think might give up on things when they realise there's nowhere to relocate to.

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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by biccynana » Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 pm

H1987 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:17 pm
I'm not sure what the implications are if Ebbsfleet, Gateshead or both go pop? I can't see them being moved down just a division. If they go, you'd expect it'll be anything new will be a phoenix club, and there will be reprieves for relegated sides? Either that, or they play the conference as a 22 team league for a year, and an extra promotion slot for a north & south side next year.
According to rule 12.6 of the NL, reprieving relegated clubs is the default:
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:38 pm

Quaker85 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:05 pm
spen666 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 6:41 pm
....

Given both Gateshead and Ebbsfleet are both an absolute mess, there's every chance things could change after the provisional allocations are released.

Would be very unfair on a team if they are told they were in say NLN and start recruiting players based accordingly and then get switched to the NLS or vice versa between Sunday and the AGM. They will have to restart recruitment again and by then all best players will have been signed up
That’s exactly what the FA did to a step 5 club down south last season. They moved them across country due to the fall out of a resignation higher up and they lost all the players and management team they’d just appointed. Can’t remember the name of the club.


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You are correct. It is very unfair on the club involved.

It happened to Lowestoft a few years ago when they were swapped from NLN to NLS
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Re: Teams in National League North for next season

Post by spen666 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:39 pm

biccynana wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 pm
H1987 wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 7:17 pm
I'm not sure what the implications are if Ebbsfleet, Gateshead or both go pop? I can't see them being moved down just a division. If they go, you'd expect it'll be anything new will be a phoenix club, and there will be reprieves for relegated sides? Either that, or they play the conference as a 22 team league for a year, and an extra promotion slot for a north & south side next year.
According to rule 12.6 of the NL, reprieving relegated clubs is the default:
In the event of a Club, not being placed in a relegation position at the end of the season, wishing to resign from the Competition at the end of the season, or having been removed from membership under the Articles the number of Clubs to be relegated shall be reduced accordingly.
Reprieve is the case up until the League AGM, after that its running with less clubs
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