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Coronavirus and DFC

Post by real_darlo_85 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:36 am

So there has been confirmation that the first case of this virus has reached Darlington and interestingly enough the last bit of information from the Northern Echo related to DFC and whether it will effect our matches. Whether or not the individual has any association with the club in an official capacity or indirectly as a supporter is unclear.

However, my main point now is whether the club has a contingency plan for the scenario of postponed matches/behind closed doors and would it be something we as supporters may need to think about? Every penny that comes through the turnstile is our life support and no income will seriously effect survival. This crossed my mind the other day especially as bigger clubs with TV income can to a degree take the hit but any that are outside of this bubble pretty much survive with what they get by way of traditional revenue. Maybe if/when the time comes some sort of emergency boost the budget can be implemented?
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:12 am

It’s very worrying for a number of reasons but like you say from a financial aspect it could be problematic. Many of our fans are of an advancing age and clearly at bigger risk of serious illness. Even if matches go ahead I expect crowds will be down partly due to this. We’ve also got a pretty much complete volunteer matchday workforce - without them matches can’t go ahead.

The current boost the budget will help to some degree as it’s a guaranteed source of regular income which at least means there’s money coming into the club but it will still be less than has been budgeted.

The first thing we can do is anyone who needs to renew a season ticket for next season or is thinking of taking one should try and do that before the end of the EB period in March which will definitely help cash flow.

Looking at the remaining games there’s probably around £30-35K of lost revenue if the fixtures aren’t played or played behind closed doors.

I’d imagine Saturday will probably be ok but looking at the situation in Italy I think there’s a very real scenario that by the 25th when we’re due to play Leamington the decision may be taken for us.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:17 am

Is there any logic that the recent drop in interest rates allows opportunities to ease immediate cash flow concerns...

It's not the perfect situation but should be pretty cheap money.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by bigdavethemaddog » Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:54 am

divas wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:12 am
It’s very worrying for a number of reasons but like you say from a financial aspect it could be problematic. Many of our fans are of an advancing age and clearly at bigger risk of serious illness. Even if matches go ahead I expect crowds will be down partly due to this. We’ve also got a pretty much complete volunteer matchday workforce - without them matches can’t go ahead.

The current boost the budget will help to some degree as it’s a guaranteed source of regular income which at least means there’s money coming into the club but it will still be less than has been budgeted.

The first thing we can do is anyone who needs to renew a season ticket for next season or is thinking of taking one should try and do that before the end of the EB period in March which will definitely help cash flow.

Looking at the remaining games there’s probably around £30-35K of lost revenue if the fixtures aren’t played or played behind closed doors.

I’d imagine Saturday will probably be ok but looking at the situation in Italy I think there’s a very real scenario that by the 25th when we’re due to play Leamington the decision may be taken for us.
does anybody think the banning of football attendances will include non-league? i can understand PL and EFL but how many non-league grounds get huge attendances on a scale that EFL teams get?

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:00 am

It's all guesswork right now. The advice will change pretty rapidly if it does change so there is sense in planning for all eventualities you just hope they don't happen.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by spen666 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:57 am

bigdavethemaddog wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:54 am
divas wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:12 am
It’s very worrying for a number of reasons but like you say from a financial aspect it could be problematic. Many of our fans are of an advancing age and clearly at bigger risk of serious illness. Even if matches go ahead I expect crowds will be down partly due to this. We’ve also got a pretty much complete volunteer matchday workforce - without them matches can’t go ahead.

The current boost the budget will help to some degree as it’s a guaranteed source of regular income which at least means there’s money coming into the club but it will still be less than has been budgeted.

The first thing we can do is anyone who needs to renew a season ticket for next season or is thinking of taking one should try and do that before the end of the EB period in March which will definitely help cash flow.

Looking at the remaining games there’s probably around £30-35K of lost revenue if the fixtures aren’t played or played behind closed doors.

I’d imagine Saturday will probably be ok but looking at the situation in Italy I think there’s a very real scenario that by the 25th when we’re due to play Leamington the decision may be taken for us.
does anybody think the banning of football attendances will include non-league? i can understand PL and EFL but how many non-league grounds get huge attendances on a scale that EFL teams get?
Some countries have banned gatherings of >1000.

So.e have not imposed any ban

Other countries >5000

It's all speculation at the moment what if anything will happen in the UK

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:02 am

lo36789 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:00 am
It's all guesswork right now. The advice will change pretty rapidly if it does change so there is sense in planning for all eventualities you just hope they don't happen.
I wonder if there may be some kind of limit placed on attendances? If so for smaller cubs this could be season ticket holders only but would this even be viable? And then there are the players and officials to think of. If the smaller sporting events start to be a concern then I reckon we will all have bigger things to worry about.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Old Git » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:13 am

Banning gatherings of 1000+ not a problem for Spenny. They will just have to publish their actual attendance not the inflated figures they usually do !

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Post by Dilly-dilly » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:00 am

Club maybe should liaise with Health Authorities.
Have swab Team at the game/s .
The current Fan module has been an outstanding success.
Though only to the point of Revenue raised for Playing Budget . Regardless of how bad current finances are .
Club should be able to survive with Sales of Talented Footballers. However that may have impact on Future of Management Team and The Core of Team signed . AA Left Blyth because of Budget cuts . Regards games . If you have a Cold or symptoms . Stay away from the game . Donate your gate money . Article I read regards Corona Virus . Seems to hide or hibernate in mucus secretions. Then manifests once swallowed into stomach. It then interacts with the acids and locates into lungs . Where it then seem able to attack other areas . Causes pneumonia type symptoms. Looking at How Alun Armstrong managed to obtain Sevices of Jack Lambert for free . Indicates no funds available in Playing Budget. So loss of Gate Revenue will impact hard .
If Club does have to play behind closed doors .
Could always set up Matchday Boost Fund . Where if not able to attend . Club still gets income .

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by H1987 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:09 am

Honestly, I think we would just have to set up a donation option to donate match ticket costs, if worst came to worst.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Dilly-dilly » Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:43 am

City v Arsenal Postponed.
7 of Arsenal Team have Virus . Seems very easy to contract
If you come in close proximity to a carrier of Virus .
Begs question if Forest Team and Visiting Directors have contacted Virus .
Can only become Pandemic. Though Liverpool Council have given Greenlight to Sporting Events to its Football Club. Can only assume subject to change .

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Post by spen666 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:06 pm

Dilly-dilly wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:43 am
City v Arsenal Postponed.
7 of Arsenal Team have Virus . Seems very easy to contract
If you come in close proximity to a carrier of Virus .
Begs question if Forest Team and Visiting Directors have contacted Virus .
Can only become Pandemic. Though Liverpool Council have given Greenlight to Sporting Events to its Football Club. Can only assume subject to change .

Can't see any news to say 7 Arsenal players have the corona virus. Players may be self isolating. That is very different to having corona virus

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Post by spen666 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:11 pm

Dilly-dilly wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:00 am
Club maybe should liaise with Health Authorities.
Have swab Team at the game/s .

At present they are not even testing everyone who calls 111 or present with symptoms of the virus. They are only routinely testing those who have been to certain countries and present with symptoms of the virus


There is little to zero chance of them being able to test people attending a football match let alone having the capacity to process the samples
The current Fan module has been an outstanding success.
Though only to the point of Revenue raised for Playing Budget . Regardless of how bad current finances are .
Club should be able to survive with Sales of Talented Footballers. However that may have impact on Future of Management Team and The Core of Team signed . AA Left Blyth because of Budget cuts . Regards games . If you have a Cold or symptoms . Stay away from the game . Donate your gate money . Article I read regards Corona Virus . Seems to hide or hibernate in mucus secretions. Then manifests once swallowed into stomach. It then interacts with the acids and locates into lungs . Where it then seem able to attack other areas . Causes pneumonia type symptoms. Looking at How Alun Armstrong managed to obtain Sevices of Jack Lambert for free . Indicates no funds available in Playing Budget. So loss of Gate Revenue will impact hard .
If Club does have to play behind closed doors .
Could always set up Matchday Boost Fund . Where if not able to attend . Club still gets income .
If the situation becomes so severe that consideration at this level to playing behind closed doors is a reality, then it is likely games will not proceed as players or officials/ volunteers will have the virus

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Dilly-dilly » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:45 pm

Incorrect of me to say they have Virus . Though number is greater than I stated who have come into contact with Chairman of Forest . The very fact been in contact is worrying. Possibility could contract symptoms or pass if stays dormant . Given incubation is thought to be around 14 days . Having to self isolate .
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Quaker85 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:48 pm

The government declaring war on corona virus is akin to the Italians declaring war on Abyssinia. I mean really?

Speaking to a few consultants today at Janes Cook and they agreed the media circus is totally over the top.


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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:59 pm

The doctors in Italy are singing a very different tune. Let’s see where we are in 2 weeks time when our path catches up with them.

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Post by super_les_mcjannet » Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:01 pm

Quaker85 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:48 pm
The government declaring war on corona virus is akin to the Italians declaring war on Abyssinia. I mean really?

Speaking to a few consultants today at Janes Cook and they agreed the media circus is totally over the top.


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According to the Italian doctors then it's not over the top. Pretty tough listening to them say how bad it's been in Italy.

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Post by lo36789 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:15 pm

Dilly-dilly wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:45 pm
Incorrect of me to say they have Virus . Though number is greater than I stated who have come into contact with Chairman of Forest . The very fact been in contact is worrying. Possibility could contract symptoms or pass if stays dormant . Given incubation is thought to be around 14 days . Having to self isolate .
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foo ... 93036.html
Yeh but also the whole of the Olympiakos team and Forest team came into contact with the owner more recently than the Arsenal team did...and they have all been tested and come back negative.

I'm not sure "the very fact of being in contact is worrying".

This is the problem. The BBC reported the game being called off because of coronavirus "fear" it isn't a fear it is a precautionary measure. I think use of those words is very typical of the media response.
divas wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:59 pm
The doctors in Italy are singing a very different tune. Let’s see where we are in 2 weeks time when our path catches up with them.
It does depend if this will happen. It's hard to really say at the moment but 2 weeks ago we had more cases than Italy, I think we had 9 and they had 4 - so why are we now playing catch up? Have they not already caught us up instead?

Clearly there it is also possible that the virus was pretty rampant in Italy at that point but suggestions are the symptoms were being misdiagnosed as flue / common cold so 4 wasn't a particularly accurate figure.

I also like the theory that I have already had it. I remember now for a few days in the run up to Christmas I was wiped out by something - there was a point we were going to cancel hosting on Christmas Day as I spent all of Christmas eve asleep what if that was coronavirus?

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Post by dfc4me » Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:49 pm

There was a article on the BBC website about why Italy was so much worse than us. Basically it’s because they are a much more ‘tactile’ people than us. Where as we shake hands they kiss cheeks and hug whenever they meet and again when they leave. The perfect way to spread Coronavirus very quickly.

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:07 pm

spen666 wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:06 pm
Dilly-dilly wrote:
Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:43 am
City v Arsenal Postponed.
7 of Arsenal Team have Virus . Seems very easy to contract
If you come in close proximity to a carrier of Virus .
Begs question if Forest Team and Visiting Directors have contacted Virus .
Can only become Pandemic. Though Liverpool Council have given Greenlight to Sporting Events to its Football Club. Can only assume subject to change .

Can't see any news to say 7 Arsenal players have the corona virus. Players may be self isolating. That is very different to having corona virus
Well spotted Spen.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Dilly-dilly » Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:54 pm

3 of Leicester Team contacted Virus or showing Symptoms

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Post by darlo reborn » Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:12 pm

Wonder if any of our matches might have to be played behind closed doors the way everyone`s talking?

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Post by LoidLucan » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:42 pm

Sounds like 3 Leicester players have a cold.

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Post by Vodka_Vic » Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:42 pm

Latest advice - carry on as normal and only self-isolate when symptomatic, so no stopping of sporting events.

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Post by Darlo_Pete » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:45 pm

Arteta at Arsenal has been diagnosed, so thee Arsenal team is now in self-isolation.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Dilly-dilly » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:03 am

EFL All games Suspended till April 3 .
Premier League also and other Leagues .
Looks like GAME OFF

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Post by eek » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:13 am

Dilly-dilly wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:03 am
EFL All games Suspended till April 3 .
Premier League also and other Leagues .
Looks like GAME OFF
Not yet - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/51867944 says National League games are still on - let's wait and see what the league management decides.

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Post by Darlo2807 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:30 am

National League meeting within the next hour. I think we all know what’s going to happen, if they have any common sense.

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Post by JasonDeVos » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:39 am

Darlo2807 wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:30 am
National League meeting within the next hour. I think we all know what’s going to happen, if they have any common sense.
You mean they will go against the advise of the Prime Minister??

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Post by Dilly-dilly » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:44 am

Scotland all professional and Grassroots Football Suspension till further notice .

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