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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:36 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:02 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:To a club like ours I suppose we would have to "mothball" it. Staff would not be paid for a while, how could they be.
Presumably because they are under contract and need their wages to pay bills. But I’m sure the players are delighted you’re happy to cancel their salaries for a few weeks from behind your keyboard.

For everyone saying “It’s about health not money” try telling that to people who are about lose income for a number of weeks.

Lack of money means they have to cut back on other things to survive. Bills go unpaid. Think about the toll that takes on mental health too.

Some people are trying to simplify an incredibly complex situation into a snappy soundbite to make themselves sound clever. There are a lot of considerations to take into account before any decision is made.
I never said any such thing and you bloody know it, so stop being so insulting, I will not be drawn into a petty squabble over a matter as serious as this.

I'm confident D.J. will take the correct decisions about this matter at the appropriate time.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by murtonquakerfan » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:39 pm

Northern League is suspended now

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by jjljks » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:43 pm

If PL & EFL fans drop in to see some football perhaps we should put up prices -they would think it cheap anyway! Basic economics and law of supply & demand😅

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by H1987 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:58 pm

Totally irresponsible. Regardless of lessened risk outside, 1500 people in a small space is a risk we shouldn't be taking. Just because it will not harm a lot of people doesn't mean we should recklessly spread it and pass it on to others who it might.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by TKOA » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:14 pm

I’m shocked our league is on considering the Northern League has postponed their fixtures until April. I see Gateshead are self isolating, can’t see our match up there being on next week.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Darlogramps » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:28 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:02 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:To a club like ours I suppose we would have to "mothball" it. Staff would not be paid for a while, how could they be.
Presumably because they are under contract and need their wages to pay bills. But I’m sure the players are delighted you’re happy to cancel their salaries for a few weeks from behind your keyboard.

For everyone saying “It’s about health not money” try telling that to people who are about lose income for a number of weeks.

Lack of money means they have to cut back on other things to survive. Bills go unpaid. Think about the toll that takes on mental health too.

Some people are trying to simplify an incredibly complex situation into a snappy soundbite to make themselves sound clever. There are a lot of considerations to take into account before any decision is made.
I never said any such thing and you bloody know it, so stop being so insulting, I will not be drawn into a petty squabble over a matter as serious as this.

I'm confident D.J. will take the correct decisions about this matter at the appropriate time.
You literally said: “Our staff would not be paid for a while, how could they be?”

They’ll need to be paid as per the terms of their contract unless they accept some sort of agreement otherwise. But we can’t refuse to pay them (unless there are some sort of “Act of God”/extreme unforeseen circumstance clauses in the contract) without there being some sort of legal redress.

All I’m saying is they’ve bills to pay, families to feed and so on. There’s a human element which you ignored.

And it’s very easy for you to make a snap judgement without thinking behind a keyboard. But the situation is a lot more complex than a lot of people are making out.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Darlogramps » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:34 pm

H1987 wrote:Totally irresponsible. Regardless of lessened risk outside, 1500 people in a small space is a risk we shouldn't be taking. Just because it will not harm a lot of people doesn't mean we should recklessly spread it and pass it on to others who it might.
Totally irresponsible to follow the advice of the Chief Scientific Advisor and Chief Medical Officer, you mean?

It’s all well and good taking the moral high ground, but these are clubs which will financially collapse without income. Shut them down for six weeks and clubs will struggle to stay afloat. That’s an inevitable consequence at this level.

If the official advice is they can go ahead, then so be it. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong by the way, more that I think calling it “totally irresponsible” is over the top, unless you’re lack a global pandemic strategy expert.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by H1987 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:52 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:34 pm
H1987 wrote:Totally irresponsible. Regardless of lessened risk outside, 1500 people in a small space is a risk we shouldn't be taking. Just because it will not harm a lot of people doesn't mean we should recklessly spread it and pass it on to others who it might.
Totally irresponsible to follow the advice of the Chief Scientific Advisor and Chief Medical Officer, you mean?

It’s all well and good taking the moral high ground, but these are clubs which will financially collapse without income. Shut them down for six weeks and clubs will struggle to stay afloat. That’s an inevitable consequence at this level.

If the official advice is they can go ahead, then so be it. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong by the way, more that I think calling it “totally irresponsible” is over the top, unless you’re lack a global pandemic strategy expert.
Nope, just common sense, and being proactive.

Better to be cautious than be dead. It’s not a moral argument, it’s recognising the severity of the situation and acting appropriately.

So you’d carry on playing every division would you? That was the official line after all.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:18 pm

Tbf the view from government is that cancelling these things could do more harm than good.

If I've interpreted the comms it is possible that it won't flatten the curve as they hoped - it could cause a lull and then the peak they were keen to avoid a few weeks later.

This will mean more strain on NHS and more dead.

I know nothing more than what is reported and it is telling that the medical professionals and scientists are still reasonably calm about what is to come.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by murtonquakerfan » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:58 pm

lo36789 wrote:Tbf the view from government is that cancelling these things could do more harm than good.

If I've interpreted the comms it is possible that it won't flatten the curve as they hoped - it could cause a lull and then the peak they were keen to avoid a few weeks later.

This will mean more strain on NHS and more dead.

I know nothing more than what is reported and it is telling that the medical professionals and scientists are still reasonably calm about what is to come.
I don't really understand it, but is the government at the moment just trying to delay the spread hitting it's peak right now...

Im sure I saw something in one of the newspapers the other day someone saying the Peak would have come in 10-14 days, now it seems like people are saying it will peak in 10-14 weeks

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:48 pm

murtonquakerfan wrote:
lo36789 wrote:Tbf the view from government is that cancelling these things could do more harm than good.

If I've interpreted the comms it is possible that it won't flatten the curve as they hoped - it could cause a lull and then the peak they were keen to avoid a few weeks later.

This will mean more strain on NHS and more dead.

I know nothing more than what is reported and it is telling that the medical professionals and scientists are still reasonably calm about what is to come.
I don't really understand it, but is the government at the moment just trying to delay the spread hitting it's peak right now...

Im sure I saw something in one of the newspapers the other day someone saying the Peak would have come in 10-14 days, now it seems like people are saying it will peak in 10-14 weeks

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Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Darlogramps » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:16 pm

H1987 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:34 pm
H1987 wrote:Totally irresponsible. Regardless of lessened risk outside, 1500 people in a small space is a risk we shouldn't be taking. Just because it will not harm a lot of people doesn't mean we should recklessly spread it and pass it on to others who it might.
Totally irresponsible to follow the advice of the Chief Scientific Advisor and Chief Medical Officer, you mean?

It’s all well and good taking the moral high ground, but these are clubs which will financially collapse without income. Shut them down for six weeks and clubs will struggle to stay afloat. That’s an inevitable consequence at this level.

If the official advice is they can go ahead, then so be it. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong by the way, more that I think calling it “totally irresponsible” is over the top, unless you’re lack a global pandemic strategy expert.
Nope, just common sense, and being proactive.

Better to be cautious than be dead. It’s not a moral argument, it’s recognising the severity of the situation and acting appropriately.

So you’d carry on playing every division would you? That was the official line after all.
As I said earlier (and seemingly flew over your little head), I’m not endorsing either position. I’m just explaining the counter-argument, as set out by the leading scientific and medical minds in the country, and explaining why your “better cautious than dead” hysteria is reductionist and dangerous.

The reason competitions are being postponed is because club players themselves have had to go into isolation. It’s to do with competition integrity and protecting players and staff who have been infected, rather than reducing transmission among spectators, of which the risk is very low at this stage anyway.

You can claim “common sense” all you like, but you haven’t got any evidence for it. It’s a weak tactic and can be disregarded. Are you saying the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer have no common sense? Come on, stop being ridiculous.

Give me scientific expertise over H1987’s keyboard-based “common sense”. When all you have is reductionist, baseless hysteria, your argument has little credibility.

All I’m saying is the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser have been pretty clear and thorough with their logic and explanations. Go too early and banning large gatherings of people when you’re well before the peak and it ends up being counter-productive. That’s because the public get fatigued and ignore the advice, and longer term it increases the likelihood of further epidemics and outbreaks, while adding strain to the NHS.

Every scientific body says this and has justified this. It’s weird you’re claiming from behind your keyboard you know better, given your lack of expertise.

Worryingly you also seem particularly satisfied for football clubs to go out of business, particularly ones like ours which would be hit worse by cancellations, as we rely on attendances to survive.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by HarrytheQuaker » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:14 pm

York and Altrincham have decided to postpone

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Old Git » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:35 pm

Seems Chester v Boston also called off because of safety concerns for players and supporters.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by H1987 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:34 am

Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:16 pm
H1987 wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:34 pm
H1987 wrote:Totally irresponsible. Regardless of lessened risk outside, 1500 people in a small space is a risk we shouldn't be taking. Just because it will not harm a lot of people doesn't mean we should recklessly spread it and pass it on to others who it might.
Totally irresponsible to follow the advice of the Chief Scientific Advisor and Chief Medical Officer, you mean?

It’s all well and good taking the moral high ground, but these are clubs which will financially collapse without income. Shut them down for six weeks and clubs will struggle to stay afloat. That’s an inevitable consequence at this level.

If the official advice is they can go ahead, then so be it. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong by the way, more that I think calling it “totally irresponsible” is over the top, unless you’re lack a global pandemic strategy expert.
Nope, just common sense, and being proactive.

Better to be cautious than be dead. It’s not a moral argument, it’s recognising the severity of the situation and acting appropriately.

So you’d carry on playing every division would you? That was the official line after all.
As I said earlier (and seemingly flew over your little head), I’m not endorsing either position. I’m just explaining the counter-argument, as set out by the leading scientific and medical minds in the country, and explaining why your “better cautious than dead” hysteria is reductionist and dangerous.

The reason competitions are being postponed is because club players themselves have had to go into isolation. It’s to do with competition integrity and protecting players and staff who have been infected, rather than reducing transmission among spectators, of which the risk is very low at this stage anyway.

You can claim “common sense” all you like, but you haven’t got any evidence for it. It’s a weak tactic and can be disregarded. Are you saying the Chief Scientific Adviser and Chief Medical Officer have no common sense? Come on, stop being ridiculous.

Give me scientific expertise over H1987’s keyboard-based “common sense”. When all you have is reductionist, baseless hysteria, your argument has little credibility.

All I’m saying is the Chief Medical Officer and Chief Scientific Adviser have been pretty clear and thorough with their logic and explanations. Go too early and banning large gatherings of people when you’re well before the peak and it ends up being counter-productive. That’s because the public get fatigued and ignore the advice, and longer term it increases the likelihood of further epidemics and outbreaks, while adding strain to the NHS.

Every scientific body says this and has justified this. It’s weird you’re claiming from behind your keyboard you know better, given your lack of expertise.

Worryingly you also seem particularly satisfied for football clubs to go out of business, particularly ones like ours which would be hit worse by cancellations, as we rely on attendances to survive.
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Post by Vodka_Vic » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:12 am

Government about to do a U-Turn and announce from next weekend a ban on mass gatherings of over 500 people to ease the burden on the emergency services. So you handle it 2 ways as a league. You either ask clubs to limit crowds to 400 (taking into account the extra 100 players/officials/volunteers and workers) or you just call the league off to limit the hassle. The latter is more probable you would say.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by quakersfan » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am

I think today will be the last game in along time. As we are run by volunteers at least we don’t have a large non playing wage bill particularly with Craig Morley now left.
If the players and football management were to take a reduction or deferred payment we can get through this. HMRC are notorious in chasing monthly PAYE hopefully that will be relaxed as well as VAT. Also is the cup run money still there or has it already been spent £100k? as this could really help us get through next few months.
I’m the short terms I’m taking 3 people who support other teams along today to boost funds.

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Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:58 am

People seems to be interpreting a move to close mass gatherings as a U-turn.

Pretty sure they said there would be a progressive plan which will balance all factors it is a changing and progressing picture and new measures will be brought in as we go.

Tbh there are 4 or 5 games off in our division basically clubs voting with their feet.

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Post by darlobaz791 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:17 am

They’ve just confirmed that after talks the game remains on today. https://darlingtonfc.co.uk/news/darling ... tic-update

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by bga » Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:18 am

quakersfan wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am
I think today will be the last game in along time. As we are run by volunteers at least we don’t have a large non playing wage bill particularly with Craig Morley now left.
If the players and football management were to take a reduction or deferred payment we can get through this. HMRC are notorious in chasing monthly PAYE hopefully that will be relaxed as well as VAT. Also is the cup run money still there or has it already been spent £100k? as this could really help us get through next few months.
I’m the short terms I’m taking 3 people who support other teams along today to boost funds.
"Particularly with Craig Morley now left"......could be interpreted as a dig.....do you know how much he was on? We may still be paying him.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:06 am

It does seem strange to hold this game today. It seems that there will be a long lay off with two options at the end of it. Either to declare a kind of ghost season or to ram a load of matches in mid summer. Either way todays game seems a bit pointless.
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Post by darlo reborn » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:09 am

Only pointless if we lose lol

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by quakersfan » Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:16 am

bga wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:18 am
quakersfan wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:48 am
I think today will be the last game in along time. As we are run by volunteers at least we don’t have a large non playing wage bill particularly with Craig Morley now left.
If the players and football management were to take a reduction or deferred payment we can get through this. HMRC are notorious in chasing monthly PAYE hopefully that will be relaxed as well as VAT. Also is the cup run money still there or has it already been spent £100k? as this could really help us get through next few months.
I’m the short terms I’m taking 3 people who support other teams along today to boost funds.
"Particularly with Craig Morley now left"......could be interpreted as a dig.....do you know how much he was on? We may still be paying him.
Not a dig at all personally thought he did a good job you only have to look at how many boards we have around the ground and additional sponsors and I have no idea on what he was paid, sales roles are often commission based. My comment about Craig is I’d imagine he was the only non playing PAYE person.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:06 am
It does seem strange to hold this game today. It seems that there will be a long lay off with two options at the end of it. Either to declare a kind of ghost season or to ram a load of matches in mid summer. Either way todays game seems a bit pointless.
Agreed. The only point of today’s game would be the revenue generated which will go some way to seeing us through a couple of weeks of staff wages. I’m not for one minute saying the club should have called it off but the outcome of the game is largely irrelevant. No more than a glorified friendly imo.

If people can afford to I’d urge them to buy the EB season tickets. That revenue will see the club able to largely pay the players until the end of their contracts in April. At some point we will be playing again.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by AndyPark » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:35 pm

divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.

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Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:37 pm

There will be a massive amount of betting on our game and the few others which are on.
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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by lo36789 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:40 pm

AndyPark wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:35 pm
divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.
I'm not convinced.

The peak isn't expected for 2 months, and that was based on models that didn't expect these decisions being taken - it could be pushed out futher now.

How can measures be softened before the peak?

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:44 pm

AndyPark wrote:
divas wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:23 pm
No more than a glorified friendly imo.
Completely disagree, the league will restart again at some point. So points on the point are valuable.

I'd fully expect the team to go out there and give it the best shot of getting the 3 points.
“No more than a glorified friendly”, are you serious with that comment when we are chasing a playoff place.We want as many fans to go to this game today and support the team and the club.


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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by divas » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:52 pm

Yes I am serious. League won’t start again until August/September. All sorts of issues to iron out with playing contracts etc. Given our PT status and players generally on shorter contracts they may even be a different approach to teams in the league. No one knows yet so I fail to see how today matters. When we eventually get back to it I expect a lot of us will probably be in quite a different place.

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Re: Coronavirus and DFC

Post by Marty1 » Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:04 pm

Agree with Divas. Complete waste of everyone's time as the league will be suspended next week until further notice and the likelihood of it being played in its entirety very remote. Understand the reasoning to an extent with funds being required but have to say the FA in general have abdicated their responsibilities ( not surprised at that ) and should have done the same as Scotland and Wales which would have not left it in others hands. All clubs should be doing the same with no exceptions.

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