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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:12 pm

Thoughts from tonights game and from the last few games:
- Saltmer MOTM - he has taken his chance as far as I'm concerned and should have a run of games
- Adam Campbell is not for me, he's too inconsistent (he gets subbed off every game between the 60-70 mins)
- Charman is unproven - Tyrone we know is proven at this level and should be starting
- Wheatley and Hatfield are two midfield ball winners, they have no creativity, score very few goals, and also lack pace - we need to play a formation which gets the best out of them or one of them needs to sit out.
- Finally, the loan market - I think we have seen enough for Alun to freshen things up - even one signing might give the lads a kick up the backside - I read today that Warnock wants his young Boro players to play mens football - well here we are :)
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by PierremontQuaker03 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:13 pm

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Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Saltmer apart that was poor. Anyone still think we are serious playoff contenders ?
We are so predictable at the moment and most worryingly we only seem to have one way of playing. Tough conditions tonight but again we hardly troubled their keeper again. A A has to come up with some new ideas or we will remain too easy to play against.
The season is over as far as I'm concerned, there will be no relegation - time for Alun to try some new ideas.
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by loan_star » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:21 pm

One problem is the discovery of Sousa, yes the lad can be brilliant at times but it causes problems with having a formation that we know works with the players we had already. We need 3 in the middle and drop one of either Sousa, Rivers or Campbell.

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Post by Old Git » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:22 pm

PierremontQuaker03 wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:13 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:10 pm
Saltmer apart that was poor. Anyone still think we are serious playoff contenders ?
We are so predictable at the moment and most worryingly we only seem to have one way of playing. Tough conditions tonight but again we hardly troubled their keeper again. A A has to come up with some new ideas or we will remain too easy to play against.
The season is over as far as I'm concerned, there will be no relegation - time for Alun to try some new ideas.
It is if we lose Saturday.
If the season is suspended or cancelled as I believe it should be let’s be honest we won’t be missing much on recent evidence.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Yarblockos » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:24 pm

Cases are starting to come down and vaccinations are ramping up, the season isn't going to be cancelled.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Old Git » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:26 pm

Yarblockos wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:24 pm
Cases are starting to come down and vaccinations are ramping up, the season isn't going to be cancelled.
Hope you are right but several rough weeks ahead.

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Post by loan_star » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:28 pm

Yarblockos wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:24 pm
Cases are starting to come down and vaccinations are ramping up, the season isn't going to be cancelled.
I don't think its a case of the vaccines and number of cases, its more likely to be pulled due to clubs being expected to take loans to finish the season and not grants as they were promised.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by darlo2001uk » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:32 pm

When he plays a midfield three of Wheatley, Hatfield and Holness we will be a different side. Let's hope Holness is fit enough to start for the weekend.

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Post by joejaques » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:33 pm

Come on lads, have you not sussed the plan yet?
If we don't score goals, we can't be in trouble for breaking social distancing rules in goal celebrations. Just watch us fly out of the blocks when we're allowed to celebrate again. :roll:
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Old Git » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:37 pm

darlo2001uk wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:32 pm
When he plays a midfield three of Wheatley, Hatfield and Holness we will be a different side. Let's hope Holness is fit enough to start for the weekend.
Agreed but if Holness not fully fit why not put Atkinson in as a defensive midfielder and allow Hatfield to roam forward more.
Playing both Sousa and Rivers looks a luxury we can not afford.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by johnnylewis1k89 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm

It looks very likely that Step 3 is going to be null and voided by the FA so there isn’t going to be a relegation threat, once that’s been confirmed AA needs to look forward and plan for next season, use the rest of this year to find out what works and which players need to go!


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Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:42 pm

Old Git wrote:
darlo2001uk wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:32 pm
When he plays a midfield three of Wheatley, Hatfield and Holness we will be a different side. Let's hope Holness is fit enough to start for the weekend.
Agreed but if Holness not fully fit why not put Atkinson in as a defensive midfielder and allow Hatfield to roam forward more.
Playing both Sousa and Rivers looks a luxury we can not afford.
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by divas » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:30 am

I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by lo36789 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:03 am

Yarblockos wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:24 pm
Cases are starting to come down and vaccinations are ramping up, the season isn't going to be cancelled.
The divisions below are proposing null and void as don't expect to be able to restart playing until March.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by eddie-rowles » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:23 am

loan_star wrote:
Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:21 pm
One problem is the discovery of Sousa, yes the lad can be brilliant at times but it causes problems with having a formation that we know works with the players we had already. We need 3 in the middle and drop one of either Sousa, Rivers or Campbell.
Soussa and Rivers are both dribblers into the box often turning back to beat the same defender twice or three times as opposed to bombing on or crossing it into strikers but their end product usually ends with nothing.
Campbell, Charman, Maquire, Oneil end up coming deeper to play to feet which seems not to be what they like well not 35 yards from goal. We are then left with Mcmahon, Liddle or Watson (Hedley has been ok) to put crosses in and for various reasons they have been woeful, combine that with a defence that lacks any pace(except Liddle ) or positional sense when fullbacks do not track back and what are we left with? A couple of decent midfielders desperately trying to score goals and defend.
Willing to stick with AA and hope he finds a winning blend but anything less than being in the playoffs as AA mentioned would be failure.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by JE93 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 am

Still frustrated after last night. Realise its tough with barely a chance to train and work on things through and then facilities being closed due to the pandemic. But its our shape and concentration on set peices that's letting us down at the minute, we need that extra man in CM whether it be Holness or Atkinson and to sacrifice one of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers at a time.

Wonder if we should be following Gateshead in having a look at some South Sheilds / Morpeth players on loan while their season is suspended, for example:
- Wouter Verstraaten - 6'3 CB at South Sheilds - formerly at PSV and Sunderland as a youth. Played most of their games as a CB, seems to fit the bill.

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Post by QUAKERMAN2 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:00 am

JE93 wrote:Still frustrated after last night. Realise its tough with barely a chance to train and work on things through and then facilities being closed due to the pandemic. But its our shape and concentration on set peices that's letting us down at the minute, we need that extra man in CM whether it be Holness or Atkinson and to sacrifice one of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers at a time.

Wonder if we should be following Gateshead in having a look at some South Sheilds / Morpeth players on loan while their season is suspended, for example:
- Wouter Verstraaten - 6'3 CB at South Sheilds - formerly at PSV and Sunderland as a youth. Played most of their games as a CB, seems to fit the bill.
Good shout on the lad at SS, concerning about our lack of pace at the back and how we allowed them a one on one on a few occasions from punts upfield.We should have been 3 behind at HT but equally concerning is having 2 tricky wingers in Sousa and Rivers but little end product.We have talented footballers in our side but not getting the best out of them for whatever reason. Really need to bring in a CB and a solid RB imo.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by MB86DFC » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:02 am

JE93 wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 am
Still frustrated after last night. Realise its tough with barely a chance to train and work on things through and then facilities being closed due to the pandemic. But its our shape and concentration on set peices that's letting us down at the minute, we need that extra man in CM whether it be Holness or Atkinson and to sacrifice one of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers at a time.

Wonder if we should be following Gateshead in having a look at some South Sheilds / Morpeth players on loan while their season is suspended, for example:
- Wouter Verstraaten - 6'3 CB at South Sheilds - formerly at PSV and Sunderland as a youth. Played most of their games as a CB, seems to fit the bill.
It’s been obvious for weeks that a combination of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers in front of Wheatley and Hatfield does not work. It give Hatfield and Wheatley too much to do as the three attacking midfielders are too similar, too attacking and offer no physical pressure. This then causes the central striker to drop to deep meaning we end up playing our tippy tally unproductive football in front of their defensive banks. Playing extra attackers does not equal more goals, all it does is compress that area of the pitch meaning extra passes are needed to get through a defence. At this level and on these pitches all that will do is result in a misplaced pass breaking down the move.

We need to have a solid three of Hatfield, Wheatley and Holness in the middle to control that area, protect the centre backs and allow space in the attacking areas.

I also think we’re missing Donowa’s leap which gave us a good second option to get up the pitch quickly. Since that option has gone we’ve become very slow in build up, running into crowded defensive areas constantly.

I agree we need new players and the suspended lower leagues may be a good place to look, however due to their closure we will struggle to offload some of the players who need to make way.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by MB86DFC » Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:09 am

MB86DFC wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:02 am
JE93 wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:29 am
Still frustrated after last night. Realise its tough with barely a chance to train and work on things through and then facilities being closed due to the pandemic. But its our shape and concentration on set peices that's letting us down at the minute, we need that extra man in CM whether it be Holness or Atkinson and to sacrifice one of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers at a time.

Wonder if we should be following Gateshead in having a look at some South Sheilds / Morpeth players on loan while their season is suspended, for example:
- Wouter Verstraaten - 6'3 CB at South Sheilds - formerly at PSV and Sunderland as a youth. Played most of their games as a CB, seems to fit the bill.
It’s been obvious for weeks that a combination of Campbell, Sousa and Rivers in front of Wheatley and Hatfield does not work. It gives Hatfield and Wheatley too much to do as the three attacking midfielders are too similar, too attacking and offer no physical pressure. This then causes the central striker to drop too deep meaning we end up playing our tippy tally unproductive football in front of their defensive banks. Playing extra attackers does not equal more goals, all it does is compress that area of the pitch meaning extra passes are needed to get through a defence. At this level and on these pitches all that will do is result in a misplaced pass breaking down the move.

We need to have a solid three of Hatfield, Wheatley and Holness in the middle to control that area, protect the centre backs and allow space in the attacking areas.

I also think we’re missing Donowa’s leap which gave us a good second option to get up the pitch quickly. Since that option has gone we’ve become very slow in build up, running into crowded defensive areas constantly.

I agree we need new players and the suspended lower leagues may be a good place to look, however due to their closure we will struggle to offload some of the players who need to make way.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by lo36789 » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:27 am

Do feel people are somewhat harsh on other clubs around their streaming.

1. We are blessed with technically skilled people and a fan base size which makes it more likely we have them
2. No clubs at this level before now would have prepared to have to live stream fixtures - it wasn't even allowed by FA until just before the start of the season.
3. They are only charging a fiver. We justify greater costs to provide the service because we have sufficient fans to make it viable. The costs of provision for the likes of Farsley, BPA and Curzon would be the same but at a much lower return.

The only alternative would be for clubs of this size to take an extra financial hit on providing a service and there is no obligation on clubs to do that - infact they are obliged not to.

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Post by Darlogramps » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 am

divas wrote:I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
Exactly this.

Some of the people advocating Atkinson now will have been the same people slaughtering him post-Bristol Rovers, for instance.
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Old Git » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:54 am

Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 am
divas wrote:I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
Exactly this.

Some of the people advocating Atkinson now will have been the same people slaughtering him post-Bristol Rovers, for instance.
Difference is he would be playing in his strongest position as a defensive midfielder not a central defender.

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Post by Lallacab » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:16 am

Old Git wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:54 am
Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 am
divas wrote:I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
Exactly this.

Some of the people advocating Atkinson now will have been the same people slaughtering him post-Bristol Rovers, for instance.
Difference is he would be playing in his strongest position as a defensive midfielder not a central defender.

Is that his best position? It’s certainly not been seen in a darlo shirt as yet

When he was playing in the football league he was used at CB and RB for Carlisle

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Post by loan_star » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:31 pm

Lallacab wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:16 am
Old Git wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:54 am

Difference is he would be playing in his strongest position as a defensive midfielder not a central defender.

Is that his best position? It’s certainly not been seen in a darlo shirt as yet

When he was playing in the football league he was used at CB and RB for Carlisle
I'm sure AA said he was going to be his right back when he signed.

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Post by loan_star » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:36 pm

divas wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:30 am
I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
And how views of other players change too, its not so long since Charman was the next big thing going to earn us a big transfer fee. Now hes not good enough.
Same with Tyrone, people were jizzing their pants at him coming back and now he's no good.
The service into the forwards is poor, either hitting the first man, over hitting it or not picking up the run the forward is making.
He has to drop either Sousa, Rivers or Campbell and get back to what we know works. If its picked on goal return then its Rivers who misses out.

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Post by onewayup » Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:46 pm

I find it difficult to understand why the defenders escape any criticism from last night ,farsley continually got behind our defenders, if saltmer was not on his game it could have been a 4-0 drubbing, yes the front men are shot shy but if you don't shoot you don't score, we all have differing opinions but at the end of the day we all support Darlington FC, we as a collective need to back the management and players to get back to winning games playing good football,
Starting on Saturday the team owe us a performance that says they want to be involved in the team and show that they are good enough.last night all the players bar saltmer were under par.

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Post by Darlogramps » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:01 pm

Old Git wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 am
divas wrote:I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
Exactly this.

Some of the people advocating Atkinson now will have been the same people slaughtering him post-Bristol Rovers, for instance.
Difference is he would be playing in his strongest position as a defensive midfielder not a central defender.
Yet in the handful of games before that match, there was a consensus he’d played pretty well at centre back.

The criticism from some on here of him up to that point (when he was used as a midfielder) was he didn’t offer enough in terms of mobility or creativity. So it’s fair to say there’s doubt as to whether defensive midfield is his best position.

Now all of a sudden he should be tried again and would be the answer to our problems.

Same goes for the suggestions we need to bring in O’Neill, despite him offering very little so far.

Divas’ point is right in that players who aren’t playing are automatically thought of as being better simply because they’re not in the team.
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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Quakerlad » Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:41 pm

Think most views at moment are that we need 3 in midfield which I agree with. Atkinson hasn’t had a run in the holding role. AA said that Atk was excellent for Blyth in that role, protecting the back 4 and reading the game. I would say give him a go for a few games and free up Hatfield particularly to be the box to box player we know from last season.

Personally too, if he is fit enough, I would play McGuire at centre forward for a run of games. He is proven at this level to potentially score goals but needs a run of games to show it, not 20 mins every now and again.

Was very pleased for Saltmer last night as made some crucial saves.

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by Old Git » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 1:01 pm
Old Git wrote:
Darlogramps wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:39 am
divas wrote:I always find it interesting how much better a player supposedly becomes when they’re not being selected in a losing team
Exactly this.

Some of the people advocating Atkinson now will have been the same people slaughtering him post-Bristol Rovers, for instance.
Difference is he would be playing in his strongest position as a defensive midfielder not a central defender.
Yet in the handful of games before that match, there was a consensus he’d played pretty well at centre back.

The criticism from some on here of him up to that point (when he was used as a midfielder) was he didn’t offer enough in terms of mobility or creativity. So it’s fair to say there’s doubt as to whether defensive midfield is his best position.

Now all of a sudden he should be tried again and would be the answer to our problems.

Same goes for the suggestions we need to bring in O’Neill, despite him offering very little so far.

Divas’ is right in that players who aren’t playing are automatically thought of as being better simply because they’re not in the team.
So what do we do persist with a system that isn’t working?

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Re: Farsley coverage

Post by LoidLucan » Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:10 pm

AA very clearly doesn't think there's anything wrong with the system. He believes it's the players going into their shell after conceding and not doing the basics when attacking, ie getting the ball out wide and feeding crosses into the right areas for the forwards. "We keep the ball for fun, but didn't hurt anyone." Too much of the intricate passing around the area not not enough of putting crosses into dangerous areas for the forwards to do their stuff. And he's baffled by it. But he doesn't think it's anything to do with how the team is set up.

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