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Re: Chorley

Post by loan_star » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:25 pm

Quakers2009 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:16 pm
BM1883 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:04 pm
I don’t want to hear the “but we only had 10 men brigade”. Shut up shop, battle hard and maybe concede one or two more. Lose respectfully. Leave it all out there. Body on the line for every cross and shot.

That right there was a spineless capitulation. It’s a shambles. To lose 8 (EIGHT) nil is pathetic. A lot of the players need to take a look at themselves but also, Gowling is not the answer.

P: 10
W: 2
D: 2
L: 6

8 points from a possible 27.

Conceded 24 goals.
This, this & this.

The players gave up tonight - that performance was the worst I've seen from any DFC side, ever. The tactics of constantly playing from the back at 0-3 and not going into damage limitation mode has cost us.

Zero game management whatsoever.

I have never watched a game where the referee felt sorry for us, until tonight.

We are seriously pinning our hopes on an un-fit Asante bailing us out of this mess.
Does he fancy trying to score 9 every week? 😂

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Re: Chorley

Post by Ghost_Of_1883 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.
He's also had a few easier fixtures.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Makka Pakka » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 pm

The_Natural wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:24 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.
Stop quoting facts it confuses the Armstrong fan boys
So we're actually better under Gowling?
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Re: Chorley

Post by Darlofan97 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:29 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.
And look who Alun played.

7 of his 8 fixtures were against teams now in the top 10.

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Re: Chorley

Post by lo36789 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm

I was being a bit selective...

I just find it incredible that people can shift so suddenly from positivity to despair in 90 minutes.

The results, performance, everything sounds terrible. But also I expected 0 points from the last 2 and we have 3 points. Get 6 points in the next 2 and as I say I really couldn't care less.

Didn't Southampton do something really weird after getting battered by Leicester 9-0 a few seasons ago - it seemed to kick start their revival?
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Re: Chorley

Post by Old Git » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:31 pm

Poor old hard done by Alan.

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Re: Chorley

Post by LoidLucan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:33 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.

AA had a total of 8 games this season in which we gained 6 points. Gowling took us out of the FA Cup and has 8 points from his 9 league games.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Vodka_Vic » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:34 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm
I was being a bit selective...

I just find it incredible that people can shift so suddenly from positivity to despair in 90 minutes.

The results, performance, everything sounds terrible. But also I expected 0 points from the last 2 and we have 3 points. Get 6 points in the next 2 and as I say I really couldn't care less.

Didn't Southampton do something really weird after getting battered by Leicester 9-0 a few seasons ago - it seemed to kick start their revival?
Soutampton hadn't already lost 5-0, 4-0 and 4-0 that season. The 9-0 was a one-off. Tonight wasn't

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Re: Chorley

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Re: Chorley

Post by lo36789 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:35 pm

Vodka_Vic wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:34 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm
I was being a bit selective...

I just find it incredible that people can shift so suddenly from positivity to despair in 90 minutes.

The results, performance, everything sounds terrible. But also I expected 0 points from the last 2 and we have 3 points. Get 6 points in the next 2 and as I say I really couldn't care less.

Didn't Southampton do something really weird after getting battered by Leicester 9-0 a few seasons ago - it seemed to kick start their revival?
Soutampton hadn't already lost 5-0, 4-0 and 4-0 that season. The 9-0 was a one-off. Tonight wasn't
Blaming Gowling for the defeats to Buxton and Scunthorpe feels a little harsh.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Quakers2009 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:36 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.
After Gowling went D1, L2 in his first three NLN games?

8 NLN fixtures for AA - six points.
9 NLN fixtures for JG - eight points - plus a 2-1 loss to Scarborough in the FA Cup.

& we concede more goals on average per game under JG.

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Re: Chorley

Post by The_Natural » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:36 pm

To be clear I am not convinced Gowling is the answer at all, but what other options are they?

Could we really sack him after 10 games and have 3 managers on the payroll the latest will likely want new players to.

We have to give him (or anyone we appointed) a reasonable time to bring his own players in and turn it around.

He is trying to polish a stinking turd left him by the last guy who had the stuffing knocked out of him once we lost dodds and beck etc…
The mistake , which we are continuing to pay for financially and jn results was giving him a 2 year contract , all we can do is hope Gowling turns it around as not many other options without seriously spending money it’not clear we have

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Re: Chorley

Post by Quakers2009 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:38 pm

Makka Pakka wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:28 pm
The_Natural wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:24 pm
lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:19 pm
Old Git wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:18 pm
What matters now is the 2 home games next week against Warrington and Rushall. I still think 4 points from those 2 games would be reasonable, and would mean 10 points gained from 6 league games. If we achieve that it will be a big improvement on the form earlier in the season.
Tbf Gowling has already got more points in the last 5 games than Armstrong did in his 9 games.
Stop quoting facts it confuses the Armstrong fan boys
So we're actually better under Gowling?
Take no notice, it's lo trying to be clever - again.

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Re: Chorley

Post by loan_star » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:39 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm
I was being a bit selective...

I just find it incredible that people can shift so suddenly from positivity to despair in 90 minutes.

The results, performance, everything sounds terrible. But also I expected 0 points from the last 2 and we have 3 points. Get 6 points in the next 2 and as I say I really couldn't care less.

Didn't Southampton do something really weird after getting battered by Leicester 9-0 a few seasons ago - it seemed to kick start their revival?
An 8-0 capitulation might just have something to do with that.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Darlofan97 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:41 pm

The_Natural wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:36 pm
To be clear I am not convinced Gowling is the answer at all, but what other options are they?

Could we really sack him after 10 games and have 3 managers on the payroll the latest will likely want new players to.

We have to give him (or anyone we appointed) a reasonable time to bring his own players in and turn it around.

He is trying to polish a stinking turd left him by the last guy who had the stuffing knocked out of him once we lost dodds and beck etc…
The mistake , which we are continuing to pay for financially and jn results was giving him a 2 year contract , all we can do is hope Gowling turns it around as not many other options without seriously spending money it’not clear we have
Adam Lakeland was a good option.

So was Steve Watson.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Quakers2009 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:45 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:30 pm
I was being a bit selective...

I just find it incredible that people can shift so suddenly from positivity to despair in 90 minutes.

The results, performance, everything sounds terrible. But also I expected 0 points from the last 2 and we have 3 points. Get 6 points in the next 2 and as I say I really couldn't care less.

Didn't Southampton do something really weird after getting battered by Leicester 9-0 a few seasons ago - it seemed to kick start their revival?
Did you watch the game tonight by any chance?

We lost EIGHT NIL.

It was an insult to every supporter who placed their hard-earned money into BTB in the summer, and also to those who travelled along the M6 this evening.

But yeah, we didn't really expect any points from Chester or Chorley, so fair game and on we go to Scunthorpe on Saturday... :crazy:

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Re: Chorley

Post by Darlo_Pete » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:55 pm

Having a player sent off in the 6th minute and then losing a CB within 15 minutes and playing a side in the play-offs, we were always odds on to get a hammering given those set of circumstances. Blaming the manager for what goes on once the players take to the field is ridiculous. We have taken 6 out of the last possible 12, that is hardly relegation form. There is too much paranoia on here for my liking.

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Re: Chorley

Post by lo36789 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:00 pm

Quakers2009 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:36 pm
After Gowling went D1, L2 in his first three NLN games?
I do think that is quite an important word.

8-0 is shocking there are no doubts about it - I still think you need to allow a manager more than 10 games.
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Re: Chorley

Post by BM1883 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:02 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:55 pm
Having a player sent off in the 6th minute and then losing a CB within 15 minutes and playing a side in the play-offs, we were always odds on to get a hammering given those set of circumstances. Blaming the manager for what goes on once the players take to the field is ridiculous. We have taken 6 out of the last possible 12, that is hardly relegation form. There is too much paranoia on here for my liking.
“ Blaming the manager for what goes on once the players take to the field is ridiculous”

Have you seriously just written that? :lol:

Do you understand how football management works?

By your logic no manager would ever be sacked. The IQ in this forum at times.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Darlo_Rob » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:02 pm

Yes the players capitulated and have to take the blame for this defeat, but which manager in their right mind keeps 3 attacking players on the field when we're 3 down, then 4 down, then 5 down. We're going to lose the game at that stage, so shut up shop as best you can and limit the damage.

I'm not calling for Gowling to go or stay, but a 5 year old could have managed that team better tonight.

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Re: Chorley

Post by loan_star » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:03 pm

Darlo_Pete wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:55 pm
Having a player sent off in the 6th minute and then losing a CB within 15 minutes and playing a side in the play-offs, we were always odds on to get a hammering given those set of circumstances. Blaming the manager for what goes on once the players take to the field is ridiculous. We have taken 6 out of the last possible 12, that is hardly relegation form. There is too much paranoia on here for my liking.
I’d call a hammering 4 or 5 nil, not 8 for gods sake. It’s not a hammering, it’s a massacre.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Quakers2009 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:03 pm

lo36789 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:00 pm
Quakers2009 wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:36 pm
After Gowling went D1, L2 in his first three NLN games?
I do think that is quite an important word
:lol:

I can certainly see why you defend Gowling - kindred spirit springs to mind.

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Re: Chorley

Post by lo36789 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:06 pm

Not really defending anyone - the scoreline is terrible - the result is kind of what I expected.

I just think we appear to have started to pick up points in the past five games - it just seems sensible that you would at least give him two or three more - rather than throwing in a whole new round of upheaval.

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Re: Chorley

Post by biccynana » Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:19 pm

EDJOHNS wrote:
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Darlopartisan wrote:
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7 now is this our worst defeat ever?
No, I was at Doncaster for that.
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Re: Chorley

Post by jjljks » Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:40 am

Every schoolboy error was there, from senseless dangerous challenges, woeful marking & no system plus some cracking goals from Chorley & Moke. The Fans Forum needs to be postponed while this debarcle sinks in & people calm down.

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Re: Chorley

Post by MB86DFC » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:49 am

jjljks wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:40 am
Every schoolboy error was there, from senseless dangerous challenges, woeful marking & no system plus some cracking goals from Chorley & Moke. The Fans Forum needs to be postponed while this debarcle sinks in & people calm down.
No it does not. The club need to hear what the owners think. You can’t just move it to a time which makes it more comfortable for those who have put us in this position.

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Re: Chorley

Post by Quakerlad » Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:58 am

Darlo_Rob wrote:
Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:02 pm
Yes the players capitulated and have to take the blame for this defeat, but which manager in their right mind keeps 3 attacking players on the field when we're 3 down, then 4 down, then 5 down. We're going to lose the game at that stage, so shut up shop as best you can and limit the damage.

I'm not calling for Gowling to go or stay, but a 5 year old could have managed that team better tonight.
This is part of the problem making it very hard to accept JG, he gets so many basics very wrong and has done throughout his tenure.

Every manager that I can remember sacrifices an attacker and tightens up when down to 10, more so when it’s early on. Not him. Surely Platt should have been straight on, he was fresh for gods sake not having played Sat. Ridiculous to keep him on bench all game.

Rowe was getting slaughtered all game down left yet he had Griffiths on bench.

Apart from Burton which was almost a no brainer, I haven’t seen one of his signings past or present that are of the standard we need to improve us, not one. Jury out on the new striker obviously.

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Re: Chorley

Post by darlo_baron » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:01 am

Slept on that, as little as I got. I’ve never felt so despondent.

And I suppose therein lies the problem. How many of the players can you actually say care? Quitting like that is stuff you expect to see from poor under 14 sides. They are decently paid footballers, many without another job. Any sign of adversity and they fold.

Supporters of the club pour money into it every year and the return is non existent. You can accept defeat but not in that manner and it’s been the identify of this team since the start of the season. I’d never pull my BTB contribution but I increased it for this season and I’m left wondering why I bother.

An 8-0 defeat is not forgotten. It’s an absolute disgrace. I’m sure we will win games coming up but any respect there was for this team died last night. There needs to be an understanding that everything they earn is a direct result of fan contributions and there’s a responsibility that comes with that. Mainly actually trying.
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Re: Chorley

Post by Piggy_ » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:08 am

darlo_baron wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:01 am
Slept on that, as little as I got. I’ve never felt so despondent.

And I suppose therein lies the problem. How many of the players can you actually say care? Quitting like that is stuff you expect to see from poor under 14 sides. They are decently paid footballers, many without another job. Any sign of adversity and they fold.

Supporters of the club pour money into it every year and the return is non existent. You can accept defeat but not in that manner and it’s been the identify of this team since the start of the season. I’d never pull my BTB contribution but I increased it for this season and I’m left wondering why I bother.

An 8-0 defeat is not forgotten. It’s an absolute disgrace. I’m sure we will win games coming up but any respect there was for this team died last night. There needs to be an understanding that everything they earn is a direct result of fan contributions and there’s a responsibility that comes with that. Mainly actually trying.
I agree with all of that -although I’m not sure about many players don’t have another job? Really?

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Re: Chorley

Post by Emdubya » Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:15 am

Just seen the goals and most of them are absolutely shocking.Chorley were strolling through us with minimal effort time after time.These players are either unfit or not playing for this bloke or possibly both.Maybe they spend too much time sat on their arses watching videos and listening to Gowling flapping his lips about analytics than they do actually training.
This has got to be the end of JG.The board have got to be big enough to hold their hands up and admit they dropped a huge bollock going with him.
We are a laughing stock.

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