Sutton United

Discussion of footy that ISN'T centred around Darlo!

Moderators: mikkyx, uncovered

Post Reply
Old Git
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:09 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Sutton United

Post by Old Git » Sun May 23, 2021 1:40 pm

Beat the Monkeyhangers 3-0 to clinch National League title and gain promotion to the EFL.

shildonlad
Posts: 583
Joined: Mon May 07, 2012 9:53 pm
Team Supported: Newcastle united and gatesheas
Location: Chesterfield

Re: Sutton United

Post by shildonlad » Mon May 24, 2021 11:51 am

Not sure if they are even pro but that ground seems a bit below par to meet league 2 standards, even if the pitch is ripped up
I may not live in the north east anymore but i still support the north east teams

karlo-cardiff
Posts: 229
Joined: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:16 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by karlo-cardiff » Mon May 24, 2021 2:05 pm

Nothing wrong with gander green lane at all... A bit dated if anything but perfectly fine for league 1 and 2

Sent from my EML-L09 using Tapatalk


Old Git
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:09 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by Old Git » Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pm

Unfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.

Darlo_Pete
Posts: 13335
Joined: Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:13 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by Darlo_Pete » Wed May 26, 2021 6:09 am

I'm always pleased when a non-league team gets promoted that has never been in the Football League before.

Old Git
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:09 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by Old Git » Wed May 26, 2021 10:11 am

Darlo_Pete wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 6:09 am
I'm always pleased when a non-league team gets promoted that has never been in the Football League before.
To be honest Pete I am always happy to see an ex Football League team regain their position as I know how much it means to the fans and I can remember how elated I felt when we achieved it.
Of course this would not apply to Hartlepool 😠

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun May 30, 2021 10:29 pm

Old Git wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pm
Unfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.

To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

lo36789
Posts: 9463
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:58 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by lo36789 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:04 am

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Sun May 30, 2021 10:29 pm
I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.

To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
It is funny as most of those same players train on them regularly without issue. Pretty much every academy and training ground in the country have 4G facilities which they use despite the perfect grass pitches also being available.

There are also league up and down the country who have 4G pitches on them, are those leagues dishonest and without moral principle because they allow teams to play on synthetic surfaces?

Darlogramps
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:47 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Sutton United

Post by Darlogramps » Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:01 am

theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Old Git wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pm
Unfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.

To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
This is the very definition of “projecting”. You don’t like them, therefore you make out everyone else agrees with you.

Most pitches higher up the leagues are hybrid in some way shape or form. And as lo points out, players train on 4G or hybrid pitches every day. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo have them installed in their homes!

For me, 4G pitches should be able to be used in the EFL, and all the evidence suggests that in time, that’s what will happen.

To me, disliking 4G pitches because “they’re not as good as grass” is an out-dated point of view that doesn’t factually represent the situation and ignores the benefits modern pitches bring.
If ever you're bored or miserable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZohZoadGY

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:08 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Tue Jun 08, 2021 7:01 am
theoriginalfatcat wrote:
Old Git wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 2:19 pm
Unfortunately just like Harrogate they will have to rip up there artificial pitch. In this day and age these pitches provide an excellent playing surface and it is crazy that they are not allowed in the EFL. Typical of the short sightedness of the people running the game.
I disagree Old Git. The artificial pitches may be better than they were but they don't match up to grass. The players don't like playing on them either.

To me, by banning artificial pitches the EFL are putting the quality and integrity of the league first, which is not short sighted.
This is the very definition of “projecting”. You don’t like them, therefore you make out everyone else agrees with you.

Most pitches higher up the leagues are hybrid in some way shape or form. And as lo points out, players train on 4G or hybrid pitches every day. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo have them installed in their homes!

For me, 4G pitches should be able to be used in the EFL, and all the evidence suggests that in time, that’s what will happen.

To me, disliking 4G pitches because “they’re not as good as grass” is an out-dated point of view that doesn’t factually represent the situation and ignores the benefits modern pitches bring.
I am not "projecting" I am not making out "everyone else agrees with me" - I just placed my opinion in reply to Old Git, which I am entitled to do.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

Darlogramps
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:47 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by Darlogramps » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:32 pm

“The players don’t like them either” is very much projecting, I’m afraid.
If ever you're bored or miserable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZohZoadGY

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:54 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:32 pm
“The players don’t like them either” is very much projecting, I’m afraid.
And “all the evidence” isn’t ?
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

Darlogramps
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:47 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by Darlogramps » Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:44 pm

No, it isn’t. It’s a totally factual statement.

Unless you can provide some evidence that suggests 4G pitches are not improving.
If ever you're bored or miserable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZohZoadGY

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:19 pm

A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!

4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.


You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary. Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.

YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

Darlogramps
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:47 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Sutton United

Post by Darlogramps » Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:11 pm

theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
I haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.

Granted there’s a difference between a hybrid and a 4G pitch. But you get my point. Technological development happens and it’s a good thing. 4G pitches are simply a part of that, and I see no reason why you vociferously oppose them.

theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?
theoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is better

“Outdated opinion” means your opinion is out-of-date because you’re not taking account of new information or developments.

In this context, 4G pitches have made massive improvements and continue to do so. Yet your opinion of them is based on your past experiences of them, say from the 1980s. I know this because we’ve had the 4G pitch debate several times and you’ve stated it previously. You won’t attend matches on 4G pitches, you’ve said previously.

To take that attitude is, in my view, backwards and without any basis.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.

If I wanted a parrot I’d go to the pet shop.
If ever you're bored or miserable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZohZoadGY

norwich darlo
Posts: 238
Joined: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:19 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by norwich darlo » Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:38 am

Darlogramps wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:11 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
I haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.

Granted there’s a difference between a hybrid and a 4G pitch. But you get my point. Technological development happens and it’s a good thing. 4G pitches are simply a part of that, and I see no reason why you vociferously oppose them.

theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?
theoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is better

“Outdated opinion” means your opinion is out-of-date because you’re not taking account of new information or developments.

In this context, 4G pitches have made massive improvements and continue to do so. Yet your opinion of them is based on your past experiences of them, say from the 1980s. I know this because we’ve had the 4G pitch debate several times and you’ve stated it previously. You won’t attend matches on 4G pitches, you’ve said previously.

To take that attitude is, in my view, backwards and without any basis.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.

If I wanted a parrot I’d go to the pet shop.

A Norweigian Blue no doubt.

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:54 am

Darlogramps wrote:
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:11 pm
theoriginalfatcat wrote:A very quick google search confirms to me that 4G pitches still split opinion. Try it yourself!
I haven’t denied they “split opinion”. My view is those who are critical of them are wrong.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: 4G pitches will be improving however grass ones are too, all pitches across all leagues constantly improve.
“Grass”pitches is an interesting phrase. As stated, most pitches now are turf with some artificial substances added. Hybrid would be a fairer description.

Granted there’s a difference between a hybrid and a 4G pitch. But you get my point. Technological development happens and it’s a good thing. 4G pitches are simply a part of that, and I see no reason why you vociferously oppose them.

theoriginalfatcat wrote: You used the phrase “all the evidence” this is a dangerous phrase to use, as even in the most cut and dry legal cases there is always evidence to the contrary.
I mean that’s just generic, pedantic waffle. Can you happily provide some evidence that 4G pitches aren’t improving?
theoriginalfatcat wrote: Further back I think you used the phrase “outdated opinion” this suggests to me that you think any opinion that isn’t new is wrong. I could give you countless examples from history that prove that new opinions aren’t always the best ones.
This has got to be one of the most stupid statements I’ve ever read on here. I mean it’s extraordinarily dimwitted. Outdated opinion doesn’t mean new is better

“Outdated opinion” means your opinion is out-of-date because you’re not taking account of new information or developments.

In this context, 4G pitches have made massive improvements and continue to do so. Yet your opinion of them is based on your past experiences of them, say from the 1980s. I know this because we’ve had the 4G pitch debate several times and you’ve stated it previously. You won’t attend matches on 4G pitches, you’ve said previously.

To take that attitude is, in my view, backwards and without any basis.
theoriginalfatcat wrote: YOU are very much “projecting” I’m afraid.
No I’m not. All you’re doing is trying to parrot an argument back at me because you’re too stupid to provide evidence for an original one yourself. Just simply re-stating my own argument back at me won’t work.

If I wanted a parrot I’d go to the pet shop.
I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.

But more importantly my original reply was a short one to OldGit about how I think the league is right to ban artificial pitches, artificial pitches LIKE HARROGATE''s.

We weren't discussing the top end hybrid ones like they have in the Premier league. Or the other better mixtures of grass and extras that they have further up the leagues. If Harrogate had one of these I don't think there would be a problem. You've changed the argument, gone off on a tangent.

Furthermore I don't need to scurry around on the internet to "provide evidence that 4G pitches aren't improving" - I know they are improving, I said they were in my post, I also said that grass ones are too.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

Darlogramps
Posts: 5577
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:47 am
Team Supported: Darlington

Sutton United

Post by Darlogramps » Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:43 am

theoriginalfatcat wrote: I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.

But more importantly my original reply was a short one to OldGit about how I think the league is right to ban artificial pitches, artificial pitches LIKE HARROGATE''s.

We weren't discussing the top end hybrid ones like they have in the Premier league. Or the other better mixtures of grass and extras that they have further up the leagues. If Harrogate had one of these I don't think there would be a problem. You've changed the argument, gone off on a tangent.

Furthermore I don't need to scurry around on the internet to "provide evidence that 4G pitches aren't improving" - I know they are improving, I said they were in my post, I also said that grass ones are too.
Ah yes, I see. You can’t think up of any logical or sensible response, so go hiding away. You dodged every single point I raised. What a little coward you are.

All I’m asking is any opinion you hold should be based on fact. All your opinion on this is based on outdated notions.

You don’t like 4G pitches because they were bad in the 80s, so you believe all progress should be held up 40 years on. That’s an incredibly silly, backwards point of view.
If ever you're bored or miserable:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlZohZoadGY

User avatar
theoriginalfatcat
Posts: 5054
Joined: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:40 pm
Team Supported: Darlington

Re: Sutton United

Post by theoriginalfatcat » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:46 pm

Darlogramps wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:43 am
theoriginalfatcat wrote: I'm not getting drawn in to a long tedious debate on this as we've done it before, and your childish insults just show that you're not as clever as you think you are.

But more importantly my original reply was a short one to OldGit about how I think the league is right to ban artificial pitches, artificial pitches LIKE HARROGATE''s.

We weren't discussing the top end hybrid ones like they have in the Premier league. Or the other better mixtures of grass and extras that they have further up the leagues. If Harrogate had one of these I don't think there would be a problem. You've changed the argument, gone off on a tangent.

Furthermore I don't need to scurry around on the internet to "provide evidence that 4G pitches aren't improving" - I know they are improving, I said they were in my post, I also said that grass ones are too.
Ah yes, I see. You can’t think up of any logical or sensible response, so go hiding away. You dodged every single point I raised. What a little coward you are.

All I’m asking is any opinion you hold should be based on fact. All your opinion on this is based on outdated notions.

You don’t like 4G pitches because they were bad in the 80s, so you believe all progress should be held up 40 years on. That’s an incredibly silly, backwards point of view.
You are either thick or some kind of wannabe frustrated journalist. Or failed journalist.

Let me keep it simple, as your incurable need to argue, antagonise and insult, seems to be overriding your ability to read.

THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT SUTTON UTD.
IT IS CALLED “SUTTON UTD”
IT IS ABOUT THE TYPE OF PITCHES THEY AND OTHERS HAVE.
OR HAD.
LIKE FOR INSTANCE HARROGATE.
THE TYPE OF PITCHES THAT THE EFL CLUBS VOTED ON TO NOT ALLOW IN THE LEAGUE.
A DECISION I AGREE WITH.

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT THE OTHER TYPES OF HYBRID PITCHES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THE EFL.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT.
OBVIOUSLY SO AS THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE EFL.
Mr Singh said this " I'm not expecting to get back any of the money I've already put in, I'm prepared to write it off for the future of the club. I'm not hanging in to make any kind of financial gain in the short or long term - if someone was prepared to come in and take the club off my hands, I'd be more than willing to discuss it"

Tamworth matchday programme 26 Nov 2011

Post Reply