That assumes competence on the part of Boris Johnson and the Government. As we’ve seen, they were too slow locking down in March and September last year (as confirmed by his own chief special adviser, countless medical professionals and the medical data). This is an incompetent Government (its own Health Secretary had to resign after breaking laws he helped make). So to assume they’ve got everything right is just plain naive.quaker4life wrote:
There is always an element of uncertainty when it comes to modelling and I'm confident that if there was even a slight chance the NHS may become overwhelmed we would not proceed next week.
You’re using the same tactic as shildonlad. Calling scientists who you disagree with “doom-mongers”.quaker4life wrote: Also I disagree with your suggestion that I am impatient, I have abided by the restrictions like millions of others have during the last 16 months but if there is no longer a justified cause in keeping them in place then they need to be lifted ASAP. And some of these scientists are quite frankly doom mongers and lockdown lovers who will always look at the worse case scenario and yes the government rhetoric has shifted to one of caution but regardless I believe many people would have exercised caution anyway and will continue to do so.
Also sadly regardless, people will die this is an unavoidable fact that tragically we are going to have to learn to live as we learn to live with the virus.
Given how he’s embarrassed himself in multiple threads, that’s not a great place for you to be.
As for deaths, there is a proven link between cases and deaths. Even with vaccines, more cases equals more deaths. Reduce cases and we have fewer deaths. I find it extraordinary anyone just writes off other human lives like you’re doing. Seems pretty inhuman if you ask me.
Kindly point out where that happened. I did no such thing.quaker4life wrote:
On the same token, you seemed to imply that with restrictions in place there was no disruption hence my comment above, I was referring the NLN season which did not finish and I cannot comment on the other 5 leagues as I was not following them throughout last season however I was following our situation quite closely.
And you don’t need to have followed the Premier League closely. The season finished. That alone proves my point.
You tried to make out lockdown had no impact on disruption in matches. That’s demonstrably untrue. So there’s one example.quaker4life wrote: I don't see how I re-wrote history or misrepresented the truth but if I'm sorry if that's how you have interpreted it, also yes cases did go do down but ultimately we did not get rid of the virus, and nor will we.
And another mistruth on your part - no one has claimed lockdown would get rid of the virus. That’s a straw man argument. But it did reduce cases to a level where there was less disruption. That’s factually correct.
So there’s two instances where you misinterpreted the truth and rewrote history.
I’ve answered this question several times. Unlock when cases are reduced to a manageable level, rather than increasing exponentially as they are now. And in that time, complete the vaccination programme. Currently 20m are unjabbed and only half the population have received two jabs.quaker4life wrote:If I'm delusional then god knows what that makes Boris Johnson, Chris Whitty and Patrick Vallance?!DarloGramps wrote: Not so much a line drawn in the sand, more you burying your head in the sand. We’re at a point where Darlington cannot field a team because of Covid, yet you insist we plough regardless and increase cases even more.
You’re delusional and and the disruption we’re already seeing is proving this to be the case.
If now isn't a good time for you, when is? Next month? Next year? Whenever Darlo can field a team?
It’s weird how you ignore the answer and keep asking the same question. Suggests you find the answer inconvenient.
I always find when people make lame attempts at using my own words back at me, they know they’re struggling. It heartens me that you’re reduced to these tactics.quaker4life wrote:
Once again, there will be disruption and cases will rise and as has been said above this will happen regardless of when restrictions are lifted and yet you want to delay it further even though it will not many any difference? Perhaps you're the one burying your head in the sand?
Any unlocking will increase cases, but with millions more double-jabbed and cases vastly reduced, the wave will not be as severe.
Whereas what will happen next week is there’ll be a a further increase in cases, on top of the exponential growth we’re already seeing.
To try and equate the two scenarios is false and incorrect. There’s a big difference between unlocking when there’s exponential growth, and unlocking when cases are at a low level.
It’s pretty embarrassing I need to explain that.
And come the autumn or winter, when cases are spiralling, or there’s a vaccine-busting variant, we’ll need to reimpose measures. Then it’ll be yourself and shildonlad playing hell about that too.quaker4life wrote: We can do this over and over but we would just be flogging a dead horse, like it or not we will be proceeding on July 19th.