Signings
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:25 pm
What signings does everyone want then for next season.
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Rougher the better & preferably big, fast & ugly.H1987 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:50 pmI honestly can’t dig any names out in particular, but I hope we go through the released lists of the big local sides and see what we can put together. The budget is likely to be tight if we are trying to find a new ground so hopefully we can find some rough diamonds and get the best out of them.
jjljks wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 10:55 amRougher the better & preferably big, fast & ugly.H1987 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:50 pmI honestly can’t dig any names out in particular, but I hope we go through the released lists of the big local sides and see what we can put together. The budget is likely to be tight if we are trying to find a new ground so hopefully we can find some rough diamonds and get the best out of them.
Sounds like my missus
I wasn't expecting him to be prolific but maybe 10 goals would have been better. As Cassidy primarily played in higher leagues I thought his goal scoring may be a little bit better at this level. Conlon scored 11, 17, 14 goals in his first 3 seasons with us, and he was a similar striker.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:36 pmThing with Cassidy is, it shouldn’t come as a great surprise he’s not a goalscorer. He never has been so we weren’t signing him for his goalscoring record. We signed him because we needed more of a presence up front.
In the previous two seasons, we were crying out for that type of forward, a physical presence who gets through loads of work but occupies the defenders and stops our other forwards getting bullied.
I guess if there’s someone out there who offers that physical presence but is a bit more prolific in front of goal, that may sway things. But right now, on the basis he offers us something different, I’m leaning towards keeping him. But we’ll definitely need at least two more goalscoring-minded forwards.
I’m also on the fence with Cassidy, his work rate is good but end product is lacking. Saying that, we’re the 7th highest scorers in the league so scoring goals hasn’t been the issue this season, it’s been keeping them out.Ghost_Of_1883 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:43 pmI wasn't expecting him to be prolific but maybe 10 goals would have been better. As Cassidy primarily played in higher leagues I thought his goal scoring may be a little bit better at this level. Conlon scored 11, 17, 14 goals in his first 3 seasons with us, and he was a similar striker.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 5:36 pmThing with Cassidy is, it shouldn’t come as a great surprise he’s not a goalscorer. He never has been so we weren’t signing him for his goalscoring record. We signed him because we needed more of a presence up front.
In the previous two seasons, we were crying out for that type of forward, a physical presence who gets through loads of work but occupies the defenders and stops our other forwards getting bullied.
I guess if there’s someone out there who offers that physical presence but is a bit more prolific in front of goal, that may sway things. But right now, on the basis he offers us something different, I’m leaning towards keeping him. But we’ll definitely need at least two more goalscoring-minded forwards.
If he had a regular partner who was a regular goal scorer it makes things easier for sure.
Like I said, I'm torn. Can't question his work rate, commitment and ability to rough things up.
For me if we can’t get a Mark Beck or Aaron Martin type of player I’d keep Cassidy tootheoriginalfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:11 pmRe Cassidy, he looked great when Charman was in the team. I reckon keep him and play to his strengths. IMO we’re better with him than without him.
I can’t believe we’re thinking of letting Cassidy go tbh! He’s a deffo keep imhoLallacab wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:52 pmFor me if we can’t get a Mark Beck or Aaron Martin type of player I’d keep Cassidy tootheoriginalfatcat wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 6:11 pmRe Cassidy, he looked great when Charman was in the team. I reckon keep him and play to his strengths. IMO we’re better with him than without him.
By the same token he has won us some crucial points through chances created for others.Yarblockos wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:09 pmCan't fault him for effort, but Cassidy has missed some crucial chances that have cost us this season. Some real sitters. It's all right saying he isn't in the team for goals, but he plays up front and will get chances. Sometimes you only get one chance in a match and if that chance falls to a striker then you want him to be able to put it away, not hope that it always falls to the other guy.
I think that’s a little simplistic to be honest.Yarblockos wrote:Can't fault him for effort, but Cassidy has missed some crucial chances that have cost us this season. Some real sitters. It's all right saying he isn't in the team for goals, but he plays up front and will get chances. Sometimes you only get one chance in a match and if that chance falls to a striker then you want him to be able to put it away, not hope that it always falls to the other guy.
Absolutely correct. I would be very disappointed if Cassidy was allowed to leave and I don’t think AA would do that, given he knows a thing or two about strikers.Darlogramps wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:17 pmI think that’s a little simplistic to be honest.Yarblockos wrote:Can't fault him for effort, but Cassidy has missed some crucial chances that have cost us this season. Some real sitters. It's all right saying he isn't in the team for goals, but he plays up front and will get chances. Sometimes you only get one chance in a match and if that chance falls to a striker then you want him to be able to put it away, not hope that it always falls to the other guy.
AA himself said Cassidy was a big part of the reason someone like Charman for example, had great success this campaign. Last season Charman didn’t score a league goal, largely because the defences stifled us and bullied us as we had no physicality up front. They were able to sit deep and make it difficult for our smallish frontline to play through them.
This time out, with Cassidy occupying opposition defences more, it created more space and opportunities for Charman. That’s a bit of a crude analysis on my part (there will have been other factors going on) but broadly speaking it’s correct, backed up by the manager’s comments.
So yes, I don’t think anyone will dispute Cassidy isn’t a great finisher, but it’s indisputable his presence and workrate created opportunities for other forwards, mainly Charman, to thrive. That for me outweighs the negative of his own low conversion rate.
Why not do it yourself? The info is on the web site.Yarblockos wrote:I'd love if someone could look at the stats to see what our win rate is when Cassidy is in the side compared to when he isn't. I think people are overestimating his importance, I could be wrong of course.
I’m also interested in why team win percentage is the measurement of Cassidy’s effectiveness. Other factors beyond Cassidy’s control will have an impact (e.g. errors in defence, particularly earlier in the season, will have led to us dropping points, yet you can hardly blame Cassidy for that).Quaker85 wrote:Why not do it yourself? The info is on the web site.Yarblockos wrote:I'd love if someone could look at the stats to see what our win rate is when Cassidy is in the side compared to when he isn't. I think people are overestimating his importance, I could be wrong of course.
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By my calculations we have 10 wins in 33 when Cassidy plays and 4 wins in 8 when he doesn't. So 33% win rate with and 50% win rate without. Small numbers though, he's played most games but we've only lost once when he didn't play!Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 1:17 pmI’m also interested in why team win percentage is the measurement of Cassidy’s effectiveness. Other factors beyond Cassidy’s control will have an impact (e.g. errors in defence, particularly earlier in the season, will have led to us dropping points, yet you can hardly blame Cassidy for that).Quaker85 wrote:Why not do it yourself? The info is on the web site.Yarblockos wrote:I'd love if someone could look at the stats to see what our win rate is when Cassidy is in the side compared to when he isn't. I think people are overestimating his importance, I could be wrong of course.
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Surely it should be team goals scored that is the metric, given that’s what Cassidy is in the team to do.
Anyway if Yarblockos has the stats to back himself up, I’m sure he will provide them.
Correlation does not equal causation.
Makes his goal contribution even worse then!Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:24 pmIt’s actually 5 games that Cassidy hasn’t played (not sure why but you’re classing the three times Cassidy came on as a sub as not playing). Presumably you meant starts.
Either way, 36 plays 5 isn’t a fair comparison to make. You can’t make any sound comparisons or correlations when one of the data sets is more than seven times larger than the other.
Only Lambert in the current squad has scored more . And we lost today without him.Yarblockos wrote:Makes his goal contribution even worse then!Darlogramps wrote: ↑Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:24 pmIt’s actually 5 games that Cassidy hasn’t played (not sure why but you’re classing the three times Cassidy came on as a sub as not playing). Presumably you meant starts.
Either way, 36 plays 5 isn’t a fair comparison to make. You can’t make any sound comparisons or correlations when one of the data sets is more than seven times larger than the other.