Hybrid next season
Posted: Thu May 12, 2022 9:28 pm
So who do we think will be our full time players, or are they still to join?
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Happy to be corrected, but I don't think AA has referred to it as being 'hybrid'. In my recollections of his interviews he's always referred to an additional training night. Maybe the term 'hybrid' was introduced by someone not directly involved.Darlopartisan wrote: βFri May 13, 2022 7:20 amHowβs that Hybrid then ? Just an extra training night? Or have I missed something.
Maybe some of the training will take place on Zoom?Makka Pakka wrote:From the Farsley programme notes of David Johnston:
"We will move next year to a hybrid model and increase training and fitness sessions to match."
If we get into 7th place near the end of next season - I hope it's not pulled thentdk1 wrote: βFri May 13, 2022 10:58 amDJ talks about this in his boost the budget interview. It doesn't sound hybrid to me - they're adding in a third training session, but it will only be used when needed and the players' contracts have been drawn so they only get paid for the extra training when it's used.
That makes some sense. Suggests players will effectively remain on terms for normal training with an extra provision where there is extra training.tdk1 wrote: βFri May 13, 2022 10:58 amDJ talks about this in his boost the budget interview. It doesn't sound hybrid to me - they're adding in a third training session, but it will only be used when needed and the players' contracts have been drawn so they only get paid for the extra training when it's used.
Is that because because? My position on that debate is that we might want to, but we never need to. It is undeniable that being full time means you finish in a higher position. The top 5 this season = 5 FT sides - I think?Darlo_Pete wrote: βFri May 13, 2022 3:53 pmWe do need to a hybrid system sometime soon, whether now is the right time or not, is up too debate. But going forward we do need to move to a hybrid system, as a stepping stone to becoming full-time. If we remain part-time then we are always going to struggle to struggle to be competitive.
I'm, not sure that the majority of our fans will accept just drifting along in the Conference North. I don't have the answer as to how we move forward, but I feel that moving to a hybrid system has to be a step that we need to move too soon, in order to turning full-time sometime in the near future. Staying part time for the foreseeable as far as i am concerned is not an option for our club.lo36789 wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 2:18 amIs that because because? My position on that debate is that we might want to, but we never need to. It is undeniable that being full time means you finish in a higher position. The top 5 this season = 5 FT sides - I think?Darlo_Pete wrote: βFri May 13, 2022 3:53 pmWe do need to a hybrid system sometime soon, whether now is the right time or not, is up too debate. But going forward we do need to move to a hybrid system, as a stepping stone to becoming full-time. If we remain part-time then we are always going to struggle to struggle to be competitive.
Chester had somewhat different fortunes. Spennymoor suggested a move to full time when recruiting Jonno and Morley. We also have an ambitious Buxton side joining us plus South Shields and Macclesfield to come.
That indicates to get in the playoffs moving forward you will have to be full time. The reality is until we double (and some) our revenues we cannot afford that.
The only thing we need to do is remain financially sustainable. We want to be as competitive as we can be within those constraints.
The regulatory landscape of football could change which could impact things. The Premier League are actively fighting against the new regulator - which suggests they fear the change will upset the status quo. If there is enhanced scrutiny of ownership, if financial sustainability becomes codified, if that cascades and if fans become more powerful within clubs governance structures will we end up in a relatively competitive position anyway?
Take it that is based simply on entitlement? The fans are the owners at the end of the day - so it is up to that majority to fund what they deem acceptable.Darlo_Pete wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 8:10 amI'm, not sure that the majority of our fans will accept just drifting along in the Conference North.
I see what Pete means. It's not "entitlement" it's just reality. And Lo, not all fans are owners, they may know about the ownership structure and agree to it's principles, they lob a bit extra into the 50/50 draw and suchlike but that doesn't make them owners and it doesn't make their ongoing support a done deal.lo36789 wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 9:05 amTake it that is based simply on entitlement? The fans are the owners at the end of the day - so it is up to that majority to fund what they deem acceptable.Darlo_Pete wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 8:10 amI'm, not sure that the majority of our fans will accept just drifting along in the Conference North.
In reality less than 200 fans actually boost the boost - so they might not like it but there is a significant majority who have to accept that they as owners can't afford to make us anymore competitive than that budget allows for.
Well no they are supporters in that they support the club that is the whole idea.theoriginalfatcat wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 10:24 amI see what Pete means. It's not "entitlement" it's just reality. And Lo, not all fans are owners, they may know about the ownership structure and agree to it's principles, they lob a bit extra into the 50/50 draw and suchlike but that doesn't make them owners and it doesn't make their ongoing support a done deal.
lo36789 wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 10:26 amWell no they are supporters in that they support the club that is the whole idea.theoriginalfatcat wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 10:24 amI see what Pete means. It's not "entitlement" it's just reality. And Lo, not all fans are owners, they may know about the ownership structure and agree to it's principles, they lob a bit extra into the 50/50 draw and suchlike but that doesn't make them owners and it doesn't make their ongoing support a done deal.
If they don't support the club then they are by definition no longer supporters.
"Within our financial means" like any business we must deliver our objectives as best as possible within our means.theoriginalfatcat wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 11:43 amFundamentally we are a football club first, we have to excite, entertain, compete and engage. People are fickle, people have other demands on their time and money and some fans won't understand how the club is set up, or even care.
"Within our financial means" - well yes.lo36789 wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 12:33 pm"Within our financial means" like any business we must deliver our objectives as best as possible within our means.theoriginalfatcat wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 11:43 amFundamentally we are a football club first, we have to excite, entertain, compete and engage. People are fickle, people have other demands on their time and money and some fans won't understand how the club is set up, or even care.
Fact is our money comes from supporters who financially support. To go to a more full time model will need more money from those people and it sounds like it is to appease the fickle fans who will walk away anyway as soon as we find our level.
That is not a definite.lo36789 wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 10:26 amWell no they are supporters in that they support the club that is the whole idea.theoriginalfatcat wrote: βSat May 14, 2022 10:24 amI see what Pete means. It's not "entitlement" it's just reality. And Lo, not all fans are owners, they may know about the ownership structure and agree to it's principles, they lob a bit extra into the 50/50 draw and suchlike but that doesn't make them owners and it doesn't make their ongoing support a done deal.
If they don't support the club then they are by definition no longer supporters.
Look elsewhere. There are enough players lower down the leagues that could easily step up to this league and keep us in it. Or do you want to become a sort of Spendymoor paying a fortune to players to win 1 game a season and knowing there was no way they would get a promotion? In the situation we are in it would be virtually impossible to stay in the Nat league if we got there as we simply could not afford it. This is not in the main a bad level of football. Why not just embrace it short term to get the club into an improved financial point and into a ground from which we can move forward with confidence that we can do better commercially?
I was responding to Pete's "threat" that the majority of our fans may not put up with drifting along at our current level - for some reason the quoted post didn't pull through.EDJOHNS wrote:Look elsewhere. There are enough players lower down the leagues that could easily step up to this league and keep us in it. Or do you want to become a sort of Spendymoor paying a fortune to players to win 1 game a season and knowing there was no way they would get a promotion? In the situation we are in it would be virtually impossible to stay in the Nat league if we got there as we simply could not afford it. This is not in the main a bad level of football. Why not just embrace it short term to get the club into an improved financial point and into a ground from which we can move forward with confidence that we can do better commercially?
Or the fans Pete is referring to might just walk away and do something else with their time, play golf, go cycling, who cares, but the point I'm trying to make is that just because you've been to a few matches over the years, doesn't mean you've signed any contract to keep on supporting the club no matter what. It's for them to decide what they want to do with their cash and time. DFC need to put out a good product, the better the team, the better the results, the bigger the crowds, that's how it works and people shouldn't be criticised because they drift away.Spyman wrote: βSun May 15, 2022 10:35 amI was responding to Pete's "threat" that the majority of our fans may not put up with drifting along at our current level - for some reason the quoted post didn't pull through.EDJOHNS wrote:Look elsewhere. There are enough players lower down the leagues that could easily step up to this league and keep us in it. Or do you want to become a sort of Spendymoor paying a fortune to players to win 1 game a season and knowing there was no way they would get a promotion? In the situation we are in it would be virtually impossible to stay in the Nat league if we got there as we simply could not afford it. This is not in the main a bad level of football. Why not just embrace it short term to get the club into an improved financial point and into a ground from which we can move forward with confidence that we can do better commercially?
Unfortunately for these fans Pete is referring to, they don't really have a choice other than walking away and supporting someone else or putting their money where their mouth is and helping to fund a bigger budget themselves, either through donations or fundraising.
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My bad. Sorry.Spyman wrote: βSun May 15, 2022 10:35 amI was responding to Pete's "threat" that the majority of our fans may not put up with drifting along at our current level - for some reason the quoted post didn't pull through.EDJOHNS wrote:Look elsewhere. There are enough players lower down the leagues that could easily step up to this league and keep us in it. Or do you want to become a sort of Spendymoor paying a fortune to players to win 1 game a season and knowing there was no way they would get a promotion? In the situation we are in it would be virtually impossible to stay in the Nat league if we got there as we simply could not afford it. This is not in the main a bad level of football. Why not just embrace it short term to get the club into an improved financial point and into a ground from which we can move forward with confidence that we can do better commercially?
Unfortunately for these fans Pete is referring to, they don't really have a choice other than walking away and supporting someone else or putting their money where their mouth is and helping to fund a bigger budget themselves, either through donations or fundraising.
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They'd be totally within their rights to do that, I'm not having a dig at anyone who might feel that way.theoriginalfatcat wrote:Or the fans Pete is referring to might just walk away and do something else with their time, play golf, go cycling, who cares, but the point I'm trying to make is that just because you've been to a few matches over the years, doesn't mean you've signed any contract to keep on supporting the club no matter what. It's for them to decide what they want to do with their cash and time. DFC need to put out a good product, the better the team, the better the results, the bigger the crowds, that's how it works and people shouldn't be criticised because they drift away.Spyman wrote: βSun May 15, 2022 10:35 amI was responding to Pete's "threat" that the majority of our fans may not put up with drifting along at our current level - for some reason the quoted post didn't pull through.EDJOHNS wrote:Look elsewhere. There are enough players lower down the leagues that could easily step up to this league and keep us in it. Or do you want to become a sort of Spendymoor paying a fortune to players to win 1 game a season and knowing there was no way they would get a promotion? In the situation we are in it would be virtually impossible to stay in the Nat league if we got there as we simply could not afford it. This is not in the main a bad level of football. Why not just embrace it short term to get the club into an improved financial point and into a ground from which we can move forward with confidence that we can do better commercially?
Unfortunately for these fans Pete is referring to, they don't really have a choice other than walking away and supporting someone else or putting their money where their mouth is and helping to fund a bigger budget themselves, either through donations or fundraising.
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We on this board are pretty much hardcore supporters, we always turn up, but not everyone thinks this way. Some people just want to see some good local football from time to time, some people maybe just choose to go to the big matches, some people choose to jump on the bandwagon occasionally when it suits them, some people won't care about the backstage set up of the club and fundraising etc - but that's their prerogative.
I sense a little superciliousness on this board sometimes, and I don't mean you Spyman - it's just that no one should be criticised for not attending a football match.
Anyway, looking at Pete's original post on this thread he says "I'm, not sure that the majority of our fans will accept just drifting along in the Conference North" and although I do see his point IMO it won't be the majority, just some.