Darlogramps wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:35 am
Don’t understand the logic of going for no-deal. You’re still going to have to resolve key issues, such as the Northern Ireland border, customs and so on in any future trading deal with the EU.
It’s misleading to pretend no-deal is a silver bullet. It merely kicks the can down the road and you still on Brexit Day would have to have some sort of procedure for dealing with the Northern Ireland border issue. Come no-deal on November 1st, how would trade from the EU to the UK via Northern Ireland work? WTO terms? Well that’s going to be extremely problematic given the additional tariffs etc that would need to be paid. I’ve never seen an answer to that from no-dealers.
Moreover, with the current parliamentary arithmetic, I don’t see how no-deal will happen. If the deal is rejected, Boris would then, legally, have to apply for an extension. And even if he sent an additional note saying “I’m legally obliged to ask for an extension, but actually I’m recommending EU states reject this request”, Parliament will still vote against no-deal. It’s the one thing MPs have agreed on.
To change that arithmetic, you’d need a General Election. But Boris will now campaign on his deal, as oppose to no-deal. Labour of course won’t countenance no-deal. The only party who may campaign for no-deal is the Brexit Party, but our electoral system means they won’t be the governing party.
My own view is I hope the deal gets passed. It’s not perfect but then it never could be, particularly on the issue of Northern Ireland. The honest truth is that from a Leave point of view, there’s no particularly good solution to that, until a permanent future trading relationship between the UK and EU can be negotiated.
Nice that you have decided to debate rather than dismiss for once. An improvement at least. (Maybe some MP's can take note).
I have said before, no deal was not my prefered outcome, and I am finding it quite funny about this second letter he may send. As soon as the Benn law was passed I actually posted elsewhere on 27th September
"OK, no deal.
Benn's law says BJ has to write and ask for an extension. (Can the letter get lost in the post)?
No deal, BJ writes letter and it gets there in time.
"Hey tossers, we are leaving, but need another extension to sort it out as some areholes like yourselves decided to try to tie us up in legal tape to stop a majority decision to LEAVE.
Now by law I have to ask for an extension so can we have the minimum time please. 1 second will do, and no, we are NOT giving you an extra billion quid, in fact, we are giving you sod all more even if you extend for a year.
Further, not only are we not giving you another Billion for an extension we are paying over sod all more money until we are out.
Once we are out we will discuss any payments due to the EU because of our decision to leave.
Ps, don't hold your breath because we ain't paying them either..
Now, how about the extension please"?
That was my immediate sarcastic response, which may give you an idea that I do (at times), "Lighten up" as you have suggested previously.
Back on subject, I now say no deal is the best deal simply because BJ and the crew have been tied up so tight by the stupidity of the Benn law. I did not, do not, and never will understand why people took away our strongest cards before the game even got serious. (If you hold 4 aces why throw them away? and take a lesser hand)? Not saying it should have been used at that point, but at least the threat would have drawn them to the table seriously.
All the posturing about the "backstop" is nothing more than a smokescreen and another way of being both divisive and passing the blame. As far as I am aware, Switzerland has 4 borders with EU countries, but also as far as I am aware, they have a grand total of .... 0 "HARD" borders, proof enough I think to prove they are not a necessity.
I actually watched a program just last night about the Euro tunnel,(about trainee train drivers), and it showed just how easy it will be for the EU to cause problems if they wish. The French authorities had a 100% passport check day and everything did get clogged. If they wish to do that then yes things can get a bit tight for a while, but the biggest problem we will face in the shops is panic buying, which will NOT be because of any shortage,(though it will cause 1), but because people believe the whole thing will clog up thus actually they will cause such to happen. Thankfully, with controlled meds bulk buying can't happen, so, as we were told they have plans to fly med's in they should NOT be a problem.
On the "problem" of us leaving and the numbers in parliament not stacking up I think a large number of MP's have made the same mistake that YOU have. As things stand at the moment, if we get to the 31st and there is no deal it is not up to our MP's if we leave or not. We have invoked article 50. Unless we revoke that pre 31st October,(do you think BJ is going to do that)? then unless the EU do offer an extension WE ARE OUT..
Late yesterday, (6,30pm national news report) Junker has said that if there is no deal there will be NO extension under any circumstances.
Our MP's have 1 last chance to have any further input on what happens at the end of the month. They either accept the deal as brought back this week, or they become impotent.
I am not saying I particularly like that but what I am sure of is this,
Nigel Farage ran UKIP as a party who wanted rid of the EU and it was a relatively small party. Once we had the referendum and got the leave vote he and others thought the job was done and stepped back. UKIP was then taken over by Robinson and his cronies. (Having voted either Tory or Liberal all my life the last 2 elections I did vote UKIP)
THAT WAS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE FARAGE HAS EVER MADE. He trusted the government to act to the word they gave to keep to the result of the democratic vote.
When new EU elections were called the so called "Brexit" party went from being non existent to the largest single party of any country in the EU IN 6 (SIX) WEEKS !!!!!!!! That simple fact tells you that a lot of people feel the way I do, and I bet this, if we do not get out of the EU on 31st we will soon after have a general election. The Brexit party will not go away, and if not the largest party they will certainly hold sway over what goes on and any party larger will have no option but to work with the Brexit party.
Believe it or not pops, while we may differ in opinion it is far better we sit and discuss our differences rather than to try mud slinging.
I am still not prepared to give my full reasons for wanting to leave, but they are far from solely based on personal dislike and bias of Germans.
Our parliament voted some time ago to allow Scotland to have their own "government" on Scottish matters. This was followed up by allowing the Welsh assembly to take over governing much to do with Wales. Part of me asks, why England have not got a similar assembly as the Scots and Welsh have to look after purely English matters?
It makes no sense to me that people who thought it best to have Scotland and Wales run their own business as they know best what is required by those countries, yet those same people think it best to allow England's best interests to be allowed to be ruled by the likes of Germany, France etc.
Please tell me how those 2 lines of thinking are compatible?