New stadium funding

[Darlobill]

No passenger train stops at Teesside Airport and won’t be for a long long time.
Wouldn’t trust Houchen as far as I can piss into the wind.
£6 million to rebuild that station but only £4million for Horden. Somethings not right.
He also claimed he paid for Teesside Uni to come to Darlo till I pointed out they’d been there nearly 10 years before he got voted in. He blocked me.

Houchen is notorious for blocking anyone who disagrees or asks him questions he doesn’t like.

[jjljks]

Deffo won't be getting any EU funding or from Saudi Arabian Investment fund or the dodgy Ruskies who fund Chelsea & Everton. Perhaps Ben H is selling us some land at Teesside Airport with promise of light rail connection from Bishop & Saltburn with the new station?
DJ knows the only people he ccan rely on for dosh are the fans. God helps those who help themselves

[Fatty eats roadkill]

There isn’t a new station at the airport and the current one is foooked, that’s why nowt is stopping there. The cost of building light rail from Bishop to Saltburn you could have heavy rail every 10 minutes till the end of time.

[H1987]

It will have to be a decent footprint of land if we are wanting a stadium, 4G pitches and a carpark. I just hope it's as close to the town centre as possible - but its fantastic news none the less. With Ben on board we have a good ally (like or loathe his politics) and he does have a track record of getting things done, and no doubt this project will be his good for his career. I have little confidence in the council but I hope through natural wastage some of the pen pushers have retired.

Agreed Some seem to be against ben purely because hes a tory but sometimes its best to take national politics to one side and focus what hes done in the area from the steelworks clearance, train service improvements to teeside airport. Done far more than some old farts in local government in the past.

The steelworks closed because of his party and absolutely no one uses the train to Teesside airport. It is statistically one of the least used train stations in the country. The airport is a financial black hole with route after route failing, all subsidised by the local tax payer. Perhaps he can pay the deposit on the new ground, he's just given himself an over 70k payrise. Real value for money...

No the steelworks failed becauase they were ran by cowboys out of there depth. What were the government supposed to do. And as for airport from 2 routes and brink of closing to loads of package holiday flights and talk of heathrow link again, some turnaround. Sure some want it to fail just so they can have a pop at the government

The government chose to let it fail. Just like they chose to throw money at a failing airport. Because it serves their political purposes and the chronically stupid (like yourself) lap it up.

[H1987]

No passenger train stops at Teesside Airport and won’t be for a long long time.
Wouldn’t trust Houchen as far as I can piss into the wind.
£6 million to rebuild that station but only £4million for Horden. Somethings not right.
He also claimed he paid for Teesside Uni to come to Darlo till I pointed out they’d been there nearly 10 years before he got voted in. He blocked me.

He’s as bent as a nine bob note. As for him as an individual, you’d think most of our fans wouldn’t think much of him, given he spends 50% of his time masquerading as a Hartlepool fan, and 50% pretending he’s Boro.

[H1987]

There isn’t a new station at the airport and the current one is foooked, that’s why nowt is stopping there. The cost of building light rail from Bishop to Saltburn you could have heavy rail every 10 minutes till the end of time.

Nowt has stopped there for years.

[SwansQuaker83]

Perhaps we aren't planning on financing it all through borrowing? Maybe there are grants/political money available.

Levelling up money maybe... that old pot of gold at the end of the Tory rainbow

[MB86DFC]

Perhaps we aren't planning on financing it all through borrowing? Maybe there are grants/political money available.

I’m sure there will be some grant funding, in an earlier interview DJ said that Bury got about a million quid to help with Gigg Lane.

That’s not the issue though, DJ does say that 7% yield on the total 5mil will only be 7 grand a year interest cost, which makes no sense to me

[shildonlad]

It will have to be a decent footprint of land if we are wanting a stadium, 4G pitches and a carpark. I just hope it's as close to the town centre as possible - but its fantastic news none the less. With Ben on board we have a good ally (like or loathe his politics) and he does have a track record of getting things done, and no doubt this project will be his good for his career. I have little confidence in the council but I hope through natural wastage some of the pen pushers have retired.

Agreed Some seem to be against ben purely because hes a tory but sometimes its best to take national politics to one side and focus what hes done in the area from the steelworks clearance, train service improvements to teeside airport. Done far more than some old farts in local government in the past.

The steelworks closed because of his party and absolutely no one uses the train to Teesside airport. It is statistically one of the least used train stations in the country. The airport is a financial black hole with route after route failing, all subsidised by the local tax payer. Perhaps he can pay the deposit on the new ground, he's just given himself an over 70k payrise. Real value for money...

No the steelworks failed becauase they were ran by cowboys out of there depth. What were the government supposed to do. And as for airport from 2 routes and brink of closing to loads of package holiday flights and talk of heathrow link again, some turnaround. Sure some want it to fail just so they can have a pop at the government

The government chose to let it fail. Just like they chose to throw money at a failing airport. Because it serves their political purposes and the chronically stupid (like yourself) lap it up.

You would have been the first to moan had the government bailed out a failing business (the steelworks). How can it be there fsult a private business failed, they took over and ran scunthorpe steel works until a buyer was found because they had orders thats why

[QUAKERMAN2]

Perhaps we aren't planning on financing it all through borrowing? Maybe there are grants/political money available.

I’m sure there will be some grant funding, in an earlier interview DJ said that Bury got about a million quid to help with Gigg Lane.

That’s not the issue though, DJ does say that 7% yield on the total 5mil will only be 7 grand a year interest cost, which makes no sense to me

DJ is very,very astute and no reason to start doubting his calculations.His interview with Ray was so positive, we are in good hands and the future looks as good as it has been for a very long time.
Exciting times ahead

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[theoriginalfatcat]

The positive I took from D.J’s interview was that the proposed 4G pitch is an additional feature, meaning we play on grass.

The best of both worlds.

[Darlo_Pete]

If they gave us more details, then it would be a massive boost for BTB.

[lo36789]

If they gave us more details, then it would be a massive boost for BTB.

What are you after? Given the update said there wasn't actually a specific location determined.

It sounds like we will go wherever it is decided that a football ground would fit best with the town's planning. Until that is established what else can be said?

[lsb]

Perhaps we aren't planning on financing it all through borrowing? Maybe there are grants/political money available.

I’m sure there will be some grant funding, in an earlier interview DJ said that Bury got about a million quid to help with Gigg Lane.

That’s not the issue though, DJ does say that 7% yield on the total 5mil will only be 7 grand a year interest cost, which makes no sense to me

7% of 5 million is 350,000 so it probably means 7 grand a week?

[Old Git]

Surely it is 7per cent over 50 years. In other words £7k per year x 50 years = £350k in total.

[lo36789]

Surely it is 7per cent over 50 years. In other words £7k per year x 50 years = £350k in total.

Why would someone lend you £5million for 50 years for £350k.

Sticking it in a savings account with 1% interest would earn someone more than £2.5million (£50k per year X 50 years)

Given 5m would be worth conservatively about £50m in 50 years. And they would have received back £5.35m.

That would be equivalent to a minus 90% return on investment.

[MB86DFC]

Surely it is 7per cent over 50 years. In other words £7k per year x 50 years = £350k in total.

No company is lending 5 million to get 7 grand a year back, especially to one with the risk we would pose (that meaning that should we default and they take the stadium back, who is going to buy / lease it to return their investment?)

As Lo states, a standard savings account will return way higher.

[MB86DFC]

Surely it is 7per cent over 50 years. In other words £7k per year x 50 years = £350k in total.

No company is lending 5 million to get 7 grand a year back, especially to one with the risk we would pose (meaning that should we default and they take the stadium back, who is going to buy / lease it to return their investment?)

As Lo states, a standard savings account will return way higher, even without calculating compound interest return.

[loan_star]

The steelworks closed because of his party

This the same steelworks that closed under Labour and reopened under the coalition then shut because it was losing money hand over fist? But yeh you put the blame where you wrongly think it should go.

[Lawman3]

At the time the EU were wanting to put tariffs on cheap Chinese steal (which would have clearly protected the UK steel industry) but this plan was blocked by Cameron’s government. The government has bailed out underperforming industries in the past (and still does) but jobs on Teesside were clearly not strategically important to them.

We can blame the Tories (and I often do) but the real problem is the mainstream parties’ commitment to rapacious neoliberal unregulated capitalism. Labour were little better under globalist Blair (and now establishment lapdog Sir Keir Starmer QC). A plague on all their houses.

I fear, however, that this thread may end up in the Off-Topic section, so I’ll shut up.

[Heaton out]

Yet again a thread descends into political bickering!

[Fatty eats roadkill]

Yet again a thread descends into political bickering!

No it hasn’t. People are just saying be careful of what snake oil salesmen are saying in the local political arena regards us.

[spen666]

110 spaces would be nowhere near enough for a 5000 capacity stadium

Fleetwood have 6 car parking spaces in their club car park. ....'.

Fleetwood have a larger car park alongside the social club, behind the old main stand. ( The one where they built a new stand in front of it and left old stand in place). This being the opposite side of ground to their Main Stand

https://i.ibb.co/svxPLTV/20211106-141746.jpg



The relevant ground grading as at July 2021 is contained within this document for National League and which states EFL variations

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/thefacom- ... ashx?la=en

[feethams]

AFC Wimbledon's new stadium doesn't have parking for fans. Neither does Morecambe. they are both relatively new built stadiums.

[Spyman]

AFC Wimbledon's new stadium doesn't have parking for fans. Neither does Morecambe. they are both relatively new built stadiums.

If the ground is in the town centre there's no need for parking.

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[lo36789]

AFC Wimbledon's new stadium doesn't have parking for fans. Neither does Morecambe. they are both relatively new built stadiums.

Are you sure about Morecambe they have a quite large car park? Not been outside on a match day but assumed it would be used by spectators.

To be fair Tyson Fury's driveway could probably accommodate about 50 cars though there would be a fine line between irony and stupidity if you were to park on his land I guess.

[spen666]

AFC Wimbledon's new stadium doesn't have parking for fans. Neither does Morecambe. they are both relatively new built stadiums.

If the ground is in the town centre there's no need for parking.

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There is need for parking for 4 away directors cars , the match officials and there needs to be an arrangement for visiting team's bus ( albeit the bus at leastseemingly can be parked away from the ground after dropping team off

1.6 Parking Facilities
Parking facilities must be provided for directors, with a minimum number of 4 places for visiting
directors.
There must be safe parking arrangements for the visiting team's coach.
Unmarked parking facilities must also be provided for the match officials.
Car parking within the boundary of the ground on match days may not be acceptable

July 2021 Grad A Ground Grading

[Spyman]

Well yes, obviously. And disabled parking, but what I'm getting at is we don't need to bolt on an extra football pitch worth of land for people to leave their cars on, as seems the way for most developments these days.

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[H1987]

Well yes, obviously. And disabled parking, but what I'm getting at is we don't need to bolt on an extra football pitch worth of land for people to leave their cars on, as seems the way for most developments these days.

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The issue in Darlington is that public transport is basically non-existent/useless/expensive (delete as applicable). If you're going to build an out of town stadium, it probably really does need the parking. If it does end up where is being talked about, it's not walkable for 90%+ of the town.

[Spyman]

Well yes, obviously. And disabled parking, but what I'm getting at is we don't need to bolt on an extra football pitch worth of land for people to leave their cars on, as seems the way for most developments these days.

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The issue in Darlington is that public transport is basically non-existent/useless/expensive (delete as applicable). If you're going to build an out of town stadium, it probably really does need the parking. If it does end up where is being talked about, it's not walkable for 90%+ of the town.

Out of town, yes, it'll need some car parking unfortunately. Maybe we could do something forward thinking and work with the council to provide some decent active travel routes from the town to the ground as well?